The divide between Genie's realtime and daily chart has been weird for quite awhile now. The best/most horrible example is lyw (of course) who has a song right now charting at 11 on the realtime chart while it is 133 on the daily chart. In that regard it is even worse than Melon
Pretty clear sign that the realtime chart on genie is not the main way its users are consuming music these days like it used to be
Display MoreHere are the top 50 best performing songs and their normalised scores, if we look separately at the Gaon annual top 100 for both streams and downloads, pre-2018:
STREAMING
01: Cherry Blossom Ending – Busker Busker [516.96%]
02: Wild Flower – Park Hyo-shin [386.54%]
03: No Matter Where – M.C The Max [303.52%]
04: Cheer Up – Twice [298.39%]
05: Friday (Feat. Jang Yi-jeong) – IU [294.36%]
06: Galaxy – Bolbbalgan4 [284.95%]
07: Some (Feat. Lil Boi of Geeks) – Soyou, Junggigo [281.87%]
08: Love Again – Im Chang-jung [280.49%]
09: Memory of the Wind – Naul [270.06%]
10: A Midsummer Night's Sweetness – San E, Raina [264.42%]
11: I Don't Love You – Urban Zakapa [260.21%]
12: Making a New Ending for This Story – Han Dong-geun [257.80%]
13: The Meaning of You (Feat. Kim Chang-wan) – IU [253.58%]
14: I Will Go to You Like the First Snow – Ailee [249.51%]
15: Me Gustas Tu – GFriend [243.73%]
16: Growl – EXO [235.98%]
17: Not Spring, Love, or Cherry Blossoms – High4, IU [235.28%]
18: Lost Stars – Adam Levine [233.38%]
19: Johnny (Feat. Dynamicduo) – Primary [233.25%]
20: D (Half Moon) (Feat. Gaeko) – Dean [233.19%]
21: TT – Twice [231.30%]
22: Don't Come Back (Feat. Yong Jun-hyung of Beast) – Heize [227.06%]
23: The Love I Committed – Im Chang-jung, [224.06%]
24: I'm Not the Only One – Sam Smith [223.53%]
25: Officially Missing You, Too – Geeks, Soyou [223.36%]
26: ? (Question Mark) (Feat. Choiza, Zion.T) – Primary [217.58%]
27: Hard to Love – Bolbbalgan4 [217.09%]
28: Stupid in Love – Soyou, Mad Clown [214.75%]
29: Gangnam Style – Psy [214.50%]
30: Amazing You – Han Dong-geun [211.85%]
31: Rough – GFriend [201.11%]
32: Bad Girl Good Girl – Miss A [199.50%]
33: If It Is You – Jung Seung-hwan [198.14%]
34: Boys and Girls (Feat. Babylon) – Zico [195.92%]
35: Good Day – IU [195.67%]
36: Through the Night – IU [195.33%]
37: Playing with Fire – Blackpink [195.17%]
38: Heartsore Story (Feat. Yong Jun-hyung) – Wheesung [195.06%]
39: Eyes, Nose, Lips – Taeyang [191.98%]
40: You & I – IU [191.76%]
41: Like It – Yoon Jong-shin [191.26%]
42: I Can't Go to Shinchon – Postmen [190.99%]
43: Tell Me You Love Me – Bolbbalgan4 [184.77%]
44: I Miss You – Noel [184.45%]
45: Can't Let You Go Even If I Die – 2AM [182.67%]
46: Maps – Maroon 5 [181.95%]
47: A Little Girl – Oh Hyuk [180.85%]
48: Bang Bang Bang – Big Bang [180.81%]
49: You in the Same Time – Naul [180.68%]
DOWNLOAD
01: Cherry Blossom Ending – Busker Busker [495.36%]
02: Wild Flower – Park Hyo-shin [356.38%]
03: I'm Not the Only One – Sam Smith [280.43%]
04: Cheer Up – Twice [265.17%]
05: No Matter Where – M.C The Max [263.99%]
06: The Meaning of You (Feat. Kim Chang-wan) – IU [258.91%]
07: Love Again – Im Chang-jung [258.55%]
08: Galaxy – Bolbbalgan4 [253.91%]
09: I Don't Love You – Urban Zakapa [251.88%]
10: Friday (Feat. Jang Yi-jeong) – IU [247.79%]
11: You & I – IU [238.68%]
12: Some (Feat. Lil Boi of Geeks) – Soyou, Junggigo [235.66%]
13: A Midsummer Night's Sweetness – San E, Raina [231.06%]
14: Making a New Ending for This Story – Han Dong-geun [226.45%]
15: Me Gustas Tu – GFriend [224.14%]
16: Don't Worry – Lee Juck [220.51%]
17: D (Half Moon) (Feat. Gaeko) – Dean [219.44%]
18: I Will Go to You Like the First Snow – Ailee [214.78%]
19: Lost Stars – Adam Levine [212.09%]
20: The Love I Committed – Im Chang-jung, [208.79%]
21: Hard to Love – Bolbbalgan4 [205.79%]
22: Trouble Maker – Trouble Maker [203.87%]
23: Don't Come Back (Feat. Yong Jun-hyung of Beast) – Heize [203.14%]
24: TT – Twice [202.95%]
25: Moves Like Jagger (Feat. Christina Aguilera) – Maroon 5 [202.34%]
26: Rough – GFriend [194.20%]
27: If It Is You – Jung Seung-hwan [193.65%]
28: Love Yourself – Justin Bieber [193.13%]
29: I (Feat. Verbal Jint) – Taeyeon [189.41%]
30: Memory of the Wind – Naul [188.59%]
31: Through the Night – IU [188.29%]
32: Gangnam Style – Psy [185.96%]
33: A Little Girl – Oh Hyuk [185.94%]
34: Amazing You – Han Dong-geun [185.34%]
35: Let It Go – Idina Menzel [184.99%]
36: Boys and Girls (Feat. Babylon) – Zico [184.64%]
37: Lovey-Dovey – T-ara [181.93%]
38: Playing with Fire – Blackpink [181.28%]
39: Shower of Tears (Feat. Ailee) – Baechigi [180.22%]
40: Roly-Poly – T-ara [179.20%]
41: Officially Missing You, Too – Geeks, Soyou [173.94%]
42: Tears (Feat. Eugene) – Leessang [173.09%]
43: Eyes, Nose, Lips – Taeyang [171.79%]
44: This Love – Davichi [170.53%]
45: Twenty-Three – IU [169.23%]
46: Can't Let You Go Even If I Die – 2AM [168.65%]
47: Russian Roulette – Red Velvet [167.62%]
48: Shape of You – Ed Sheeran [167.16%]
49: Oh! – Girls' Generation [166.84%]
50: Bang Bang Bang – Big Bang [166.53%]
yea the way of averaging out downloads per year gets extra weird and doesnt really work that well with this way of calculating, considering you and i, throught the night have 7m downloads each, 2m more than wild flower. Slow burners get ranked higher even if they havent reached 3m downloads in total, like cheer up.
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That ends the longest continuesly hourly #1 streak on bugs since Ditto.
On new year with low uls, but i think theres a chance it could hold on abit
Love always runs current UL is higher than any of the songs before it in this list
in a few years LYW is likely to occupy the two top places
He will also hold the records for most streamed songs, most streamed album, most digital points and longest time spent on charts in the future. Love always runs away is currently above all the songs ranking before it in daily unique listeners.
All that despite not having a single song that have ranked #1 on melon and whos highest peak for a song is 260k ul.
So this goodbye song is bigger than I am for songs released in 2023?
Well, i guess if one considers weeks spent in the chart in top 10 to be the primary metric for success, yes
Both songs released in the same month whit only 10 days apart. I AM have 20m more accumulated ULs for 2023 than Let's say goodbye.
69m for I AM vs 49M for goodbye
Yes, the long wait is nearing its end.
Supposedly three out of the five songs will have fanchants for concert.
Wow Let’s say goodbye is really that big! Still charting at #9
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Probably the best showcase of the chart inflation in the last years
One song released 2019, which spent over 1/3 of its run in top 10 in 2020. The rest are all songs released 2020 or later
300 pak hours for LWA. Another week at #1 on youtube week as well so can potentially pass by any song and i am.
it is so wrong in many level. every moment of you only getting popular last 2 years, which having a low uls for the whole period.
you need to match this chart with the melon decade chart at least of having some comments sense.
Its basically impossible to rank and single out the top songs here, but EDEM have been popular since it released (ranked top 10) and has performed more consistent than any other song since at least 2017 over time. It has to most accumulated unique listeners of all the songs and the most consistent charting, being in top 80 on all domestic charts still to this day.
So, you think calling "1000 year old" isn't disrespectful?
Relax,
its a running joke to call her that even by her fans because of whyknock and her character being 1300 years something in hotel del luna. Same with senior singer etc
whyknock is one of her biggest fans actually, he just expresses it in his own weird way.
Display MoreAh ok, so it looks like I wasn't clear in the explanation of my methodology. I actually calculated normalised scores for downloads and streams separately, then averaged the scores to get a "digital" score.
Let's take the example of Miss A's iconic "Bad Girl Good Girl", which was released in 2010. The song was #1 in streams in 2010, achieving 37,315,823 streams. Take 37,315,823 and divide it by the average streams achieved by the Gaon top 100 in that year, which was 18,704,247, and you get 199.50%.
For downloads, the song was #3 in 2010. It had 3,119,784 downloads, and if we divide that by the average top 100 download count of 1,988,058, we get 156.93%.
Then, we'll take the average of 199.50% and 156.93% to get a "digital" score of 178.22%.
Ok but that averaging between streams and downloads still results in pretty much the same problem. Downloads doesnt work anything like streams or digital points over time, so doing an average of streams and downloads isnt really equivialent to how digital points work
A song in 2018 that gets 300% of the digital score, will get just that because its not averaged out by another number thats lower, but a song 6 months earlier released in 2017 will have 300% streams but maybe only 120% downlads, resulting in its score dropping to 160%.
this is likely on of the reasons for the rankings here being primarily 2018- songs and onward, the other being the decrease in turnover of charting songs.
Maybe they wanted IU to get her 100th win in their show.
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i said it on the other thread but why on earth would kbs ever count competing music show wins?
None cares about the number of music wins an artist have in total, and there's no way a music show thats already been under fire just last year would willingly do something as obvious as this.
None gains anything from it, not music bank who gets more bad press, not gidle who dont get their win, and not IU who gets shit flung her way because of it (and will easily cross 100 wins in any case within the next weeks)
Apparently, this is IU's 100th music show award. Maybe they robbed IDLE to be the Music Show to give her it instead of another one.
Why would kbs know or even count other music show wins that or not theirs? None but hardcore fandoms care about the number of wins an artist have . This wasnt even an aired episode because of the korean new year, there's nothing to gain for this from kbs point of view.
The most likely answer is that its simply incompetence/screw up from their side.
The reason it’s number 3 is cause it won voting which automatically gives it 2000 points.
Yea, which is part of the problem in my opinion. How voting category alone can almost make a years old song take first place. It also seems to been a concentrated voting effort for the song this week for whatever reason, considering it suddenly rose 38 ranks from previous week according to the table in the tweet.
Some intern rushed their excel sheet before the korean new year most likely
Also, they are kinda hard to take seriosuly either way when their system somehow have a nearly four year old song place #3.
LWA have now passed by butter, rollin and lilac and becomes her second highest song pak hour wise.
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IU is actually doing some promotion and probably in a sign of how the market have shifted, its mostly youtube instead of TV shows. She appeared on pixid show yesterday and will guest on Yoo jaesuks youtube show pinggyego next week (which is arguably the most popular korean talk show on youtube these days). By hints released, its also believed she will appear on Lee Hyori's music show the same week as the EP is released.
For those thinking her mv teaser not trending at #1 was a sign of something
Display MoreThis phenomenon is something that stood out to me when I was putting together this analysis, and so I'm glad to see that you all noticed it as well. To look further into this issue, I calculated the standard deviation for each year's set of normalised scores, and the results are shown in the chart below:
As we can see, standard deviations have been steadily rising, which means that there's been more and more variability between normalised scores, even if the *average* normalised score remains at 100% for each year (which it will, by design, due to my methodology). Or, to put it more simply: the best performing songs have been able to outperform their peers by larger margins as the years have progressed.
I'm not sure how to correct for this. It seems like I would have to "standardise" the standard deviations somehow, so that they remain roughly constant across all years.
Apart from the average length of charting, i think a big part of the problem it is this calculation:
"For example, if a song had 1.5 million downloads in 2010, and the average song in the top 100 had 1 million downloads, I would assign a value of 150% (= 1.5 million ÷ 1 million) to that song."
Neither streams nor downloads can be directly translated to gaons 2018- digital point system without knowing their exact formula as its not a 1:1 factor and one download is worth alot more points than a stream in their calculations.
For example (made up numbers) say one song have 10 million streams and 100k downloads. This would translate to 10,1 digital points in your calculation for songs pre 2018. But those 10 million streams would be worth lets say 50m gaon points while 100k downloads alone would be worth 100m gaon points.
This means that by your caclulation, if another song have 10million streams but 0 downloads, the score would only have a difference of 0,1m points between them, while in gaon points, it would have a 100m difference.
Downloads are the single reason why some artists (kang daniel, lyw etc) have been able to rank #1 on gaon in their first week despite never even having entered top 20 on melon for example. The fandoms simply mass buy (download) the songs on release week which inflates the digital points way above whats normal versus their UL numbers.
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This doesnt really say anything about lloud as a company, only that the domain/website is hosted in usa (google domain registrar and servers)
New peak for 'To x' 24h ul, at 250k at 8pm and LWA is back to 305k ul where it was at the end of last week. Overall most songs seem have reached peaks that havent been there for over a month at least.
TWS is now at 145k and have basically doubled their 24h ul in a week.
Will be interesting to see how much it drops.
Thought this was interesting news:
Company A, which distributes music through Melon, submitted a report to the Fair Trade Commission last January questioning Kakao Entertainment's distribution fee discrimination. This report pointed out that while Kakao Entertainment demands a distribution fee of around 20% from general companies, it only collects a distribution fee of around 5-6% from subsidiaries and affiliates, including SM Entertainment and Edam Entertainment.
It is argued that this is an act of trading services, etc. with a related party or another company under significantly advantageous conditions, and is an unfair trade practice under the Fair Trade Act.
Another example of the FTC making life difficult for Kakao (and melon consequently as well). The investigation into Youtube's bundling in the meantime is not really progressing after a year. It's not even clear if the FTC is still doing it. They seem preoccupied with domestic services
If its judged to be an unfair act the what will happen is that everyone including their own subsidiaries will pay the same 20% rate, its not like they are going to lower it to 5% for everyone. Either way kakao will not loose much (with the exception of potential fines) , it just means more of their profits will collected at kakao m level instead of the subsidaries level, the end result will be pretty much the same for them regardless.
do you have a link to the source?
