Posts by SooYoung

    Let’s adress the real issue here though.

    This is not about your concern that the producers aren’t getting paid or that their work is to no avail.

    I’ve seen enough of your threads to know when you’re having performative concerns over this.


    As an SM stan, and let’s be real, you’d take it *** ** *** *** for LSM, you’re just mad that SM is infamously known for stealing songs and creative ideas from other artists without giving any form of credit. And now you want other companies to have that same bad image so you can say ‘but you’re faves company did this this and this’ whenever SM finds themselves in yet another plagiarism, stealing content controversy :yesr:


    LMAOOOOOOOO


    please try next time

    i was the first one to make the thread on AKP about a producer who worked with SM stealing his student lyrics


    so do better next time , but nice try


    No, a contract is required for someone to be entitled to payment. If there was no contract, then the producer is not entitled to payment. Currently there is no proof that a contract was even arranged in the first place.

    No a contract can be finalize without having any price

    bot parties will agree to the price later

    and if one of the parties doesn't want to pay, the other parti can go to trial and the judge will put a price on the work of this person


    UCC 2-305 :

    The parties if they so intend can conclude a contract for saleeven though the price is not settled. In such a case the price is a reasonable price at the time for delivery if

    • (a) nothing is said as to price


    even if they don't agree on a price, BH is still force to pay them a reasonable price for the work they ask them to do

    Unless you get a written contract everything is pointless.

    Please when you don't know how law work avoid saying something so untrue '-'


    verbal agreement is enough to create a legally binding contract at the moment there's an offer , and acceptation, consideration, and both parties have the capacity to contract


    Wow people who don't know anything about law

    saying that a contract always need to be written or it doesn't have any value you're clearly not a law student '-'

    please avoid this type of comment if you don't know how law work


    go read this , and educate yourself on how contract really work to avoid something like this again :pepefacepalm::pepefacepalm:

    https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/…as%20an%20oral%20contract).

    I understand it cleary. I already said this, it's the producers problem imo. They straight up making assumption without confirming first. Actually, with or without competition seems like the best way is for the producers to make it clear that they NEED to get paid anyway whether the song end up being used or not. Yk, make the term and condition clear.


    no

    to make a contract you need an offer, and an acceptation of the offer

    and in a working relationship price is not needed

    at the moment that the relation fit some criteria, a work make under the influence and the control of someone

    at the moment you're in a working relationship with someone you need to be pay it's in the law

    in this case, we do have a work which is the song they produce

    and we also have the influence and control of someone else which is big hit, because this producer wouldn't have made these songs if big hit didn't reach out to them


    so they are in a working relationship

    and even if they didn't mention a price or else, a work always need to be compensated with money or a counterpart

    in this case they didn't receive any money or any counterpart for their work which is not normal

    but do you have proof there was a contract or formal commission made?

    they don't get paid unless it's formally written to state such. The tweet would have obviously made a huge emphasis on not getting paid after being commissioned or hired. The producer does have the right to be upset, but they fcked themselves over by not getting officially hired.

    the producer said himself BIG HIT MADE US WRITE SONG FOR THEM and didn't tell us will be competing with other producer that they ask to produce for them too


    this producer didn't send their demo on their own , because they themselves said they reach out to them but also to other producer in their lane to produce for txt

    Do you actually have any proof for your claims here?

    Like signed contracts, deals etc?

    Otherwise you are just talking to be talking.

    I get that this is a forum, but still, this is slander without proof.


    do you know even how to read

    it's the producer themselves who said that big hit made them write for them

    and not them who decide to make music for big hit on their own

    and the other producer talk about free labor meaning they didn't get paid for their work because they are a little producer

    Unless the producers make it clear in the beginning that they need to get paid for the demo songs, whether Bighit end up use it or not, and Bighit agree to that term but still didn't pay the producers in the end, then I don't see the problem tbh.

    NO


    many people don't seem to make the difference

    there's different practice in music


    the most common is Producer making a music, and sending the demo to multiple agency hoping one choose the song, but if they don't get choose they don't get paid, and just continue to send their demo to other artist hoping someone will finally pick up, they'll get paid just once someone buy the right of the song


    but there's another practice , where in this case, it's the agency who reach out to a producer giving them instructions about a music , and these producers need to write and produce base on this indications

    and in this case the producers need to always get paid

    because they are in a work relation with the agency

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    in this video i watched last week he explains that he used to own a publishing company and that it's common for producers to send demos and not get paid because they weren't picked. I assumed it was common pratice.

    yeah but in the situation he's talking

    it's the producer who send their demo on their own


    many people don't seem to make the difference

    there's different practice in music


    the most common is Producer making a music, and sending the demo to multiple agency hoping one choose the song, but if they don't get choose they don't get paid, and just continue to send their demo to other artist hoping someone will finally pick up, they'll get paid just once someone buy the right of the song


    but there's another practice , where in this case, it's the agency who reach out to a producer giving them instructions about a music , and these producers need to write and produce base on this indications

    and in this case the producers need to always get paid

    because they are in a work relation with the agency

    an someone correct me, but they all just sent in demos for the chance to compete for a chance that their song would get chosen, right?... " I wonder who prevailed "

    No they didn't send demo

    Big hit reach out to them asking them to produce songs for txt and didn't get paid at the end


    it's different from producer sending their own demo on their own to an agency and didn't get paid, this is a common practice in the music industry


    but when it's the agency who reach out to you themself to produce for their artist , it's different , and producer always get paid in this situation

    because they worked for the agency , on their demand

    this seems like a normal thing in kpop standards


    on the other hand I know that in rap world things like that ain't happening, when you give a word, or ask someone for a beat then it means you are taking it, and if not use it now then you will use it on next album or some mixtape


    I would also be mad if I would be great producer and someone would waste my time expecting me to "battle for a spot" with multiple other people, some of them which I might be friends with...


    some of you didn't understand the real problem here

    the real problem here is that BH didn't warn them that they'll compete with other producer

    and they didn't pay them for the work they ask them to do it , that's why the producer is talking about "free labor"

    they are more mad that they did all these work for free than competing with others

    I'm not sure about this mess but isn't this the normal practice? Like, producers competing with their tracks and the company choosing in the end?


    I'm confused...

    yes it's normal practice, but this producer if it's the company who reach out to them to write songs they are still pay even if the song doesn't get choose in this case, big hit reach out to multiple producer to write music and when they did it , this producer didn't get paid for their work


    Producers during boot camp get paid !

    the producer that BIg hit reach out to produce music didn't get paid for the work big hit ask them to do


    producers doesn't get paid when they send their demo on their own without the agency asking them to do it, in this case they are competing with other

    but competing with other isn't the problem here

    the problem here is that BH reach out to them , make them work weeks to produce songs for TXT and at the end they didn't get paid for the work they did for them


    the problem here isn't competing

    it's the free labor

    This is normal practice in the music world is it not?

    no

    producers doesn't get paid when they are the one who send their demo on their own , without the agency asking for them, meaning the agency doesn't have anything to do in it

    but in this case, it's the agency who reach out to multiple producer to produce songs for TXT, and this producer produce this song on their demand, so they should be pay


    it's like if you're a painter , and you paint something that you like and you try to sell it to an art gallery, if the art gallery doesn't want it there's nothing who force them to buy your painting

    meanwhile if it's someone who reach out to you and say i want this type of painting do it for me, if you do it and then they came to you and told you "no thanks i'll not use it i find something else"

    they are force to pay you for your work, because you did this painting because they ask you to do it , so there's a working contract between this person and you

    so even if they don't want to use it they need to pay you

    So from what i understand Big hit reach out to many producers to write musics for txt without telling them that they reach to other producers too with who their song will have to compete

    and these little producers didn't receive any money in exchange of their works for big hit even if they wasted weeks working on songs for them


    don't think that the tweet saying it's txt was great, considering txt had nothing to do in this and it's only bh fault :/


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