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while their group size also might crowd each other
They are well established and each member is known to fans and lots of non-fans
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not all of them but some of them could
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Its non existent where all members of a 9 member girl group (probably even bg) are equally successful or more or less at similar success levels.
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not all members but maybe some
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At least half of TWICE members aren't fit for YG, meaning that they don't have what YG and his people need in an idol for them to be able to boost their image in the YG-specific way, the way how YG knows and is used to brand the image of their idols.
This is just lack of creative thinking or imagination.
Only Jennie and Lisa have something truly unique or special. Rose and Jisoo are simply a case of good image branding, the thing that YG are good at, and that they could have done with many other less-than-special idols.
And that they HAVE done: there's nothing really special 'a la YG' about Seungri, Dara, Bom, Daesung etc etc.
Lift them out of YG and be on their own, and they're ordinary, even less than your average run-of-the-mill idol.
But they were MADE special by pouring YG's special flavor of brand/image boosting over them.
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At least half of TWICE members aren't fit for YG, meaning that they don't have what YG and his people need in an idol for them to be able to boost their image in the YG-specific way, the way how YG knows and is used to brand the image of their idols.
This is just lack of creative thinking or imagination.
Only Jennie and Lisa have something truly unique or special. Rose and Jisoo are simply a case of good image branding, the thing that YG are good at, and that they could have done with many other less-than-special idols.
And that they HAVE done: there's nothing really special 'a la YG' about Seungri, Dara, Bom, Daesung etc etc.
Lift them out of YG and be on their own, and they're ordinary, even less than your average run-of-the-mill idol.
But they were MADE special by pouring YG's special flavor of brand/image boosting over them.
Jisoo and rose are very special, they would be most popular members in different group
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It’s all about branding. Twice has too many members for all of them to be super popular individually, but YG is good at making their idols seem special and different.
If Nayeon, Sana, Irene and etc. replaced a member or two in Blackpink, would that really affect their popularity? Who knows, but my money’s on no.
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Only Jennie and Lisa have something truly unique or special. Rose and Jisoo are simply a case of good image branding, the thing that YG are good at, and that they could have done with many other less-than-special idols.
And that they HAVE done: there's nothing really special 'a la YG' about Seungri, Dara, Bom, Daesung etc etc.
Lift them out of YG and be on their own, and they're ordinary, even less than your average run-of-the-mill idol.
But they were MADE special by pouring YG's special flavor of brand/image boosting over them.
Rosé? The one that garnered most attention during coachella with her stage presence? You must be kidding
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Is this the discussion where some people are saying that TWICE members have no star power and it factor and only Blackpink members have that level of star power and it factor? Wow. Just wow.
Nayeon, Sana, Jihyo, Mina easily have as much star power as Blackpink members and would've done as well under YG. Blackpink members aren't THAT unique or special that no other idols couldn't perform at the same level.
So don't give me that shit that TWICE members don't have what it takes and that Blackpink members are so extraordinary and 1-of-a-kind in the world that no other idols in TWICE or the BIG 4 or in K-pop are able to reach the same level if they operated under YG.
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Is this the discussion where some people are saying that TWICE members have no star power and it factor and only Blackpink members have that level of star power and it factor? Wow. Just wow.
Nayeon, Sana, Jihyo, Mina easily have as much star power as Blackpink members and would've done as well under YG. Blackpink members aren't THAT unique or special that no other idols couldn't perform at the same level.
So don't give me that shit that TWICE members don't have what it takes and that Blackpink members are so extraordinary and 1-of-a-kind in the world that no other idols in TWICE or the BIG 4 or in K-pop are able to reach the same level if they operated under YG.
And why under YGE? Twice are under a big3 too and flopping still bc even with all their group promotion no member got enough star power to give them a viral moment or to be the face of the group to the point of the public trusting them. They are average and their encore stage proved it and made it clear how they wouldn't even be near BP even if they were from yge.
Answering op: no, they wouldn't. They lack charisma.
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Is this the discussion where some people are saying that TWICE members have no star power and it factor and only Blackpink members have that level of star power and it factor? Wow. Just wow.
Nayeon, Sana, Jihyo, Mina easily have as much star power as Blackpink members and would've done as well under YG. Blackpink members aren't THAT unique or special that no other idols couldn't perform at the same level.
So don't give me that shit that TWICE members don't have what it takes and that Blackpink members are so extraordinary and 1-of-a-kind in the world that no other idols in TWICE or the BIG 4 or in K-pop are able to reach the same level if they operated under YG.
You give yg too much credit lmao, you are acting like yg actually promotes their artist unless you count photoshoots or modelling as something. Yes jyp is shit when it comes to solo stuffs but you really with your full chest just said any other big 4 members would thrive just as well as bp had they been under yg which is beyond delusional. See some Twice members definitely have the IT potential that is being wasted but like really you don't have to sell yg that high to discredit the bp members themselves. Sorry but please if you are gonna counter it by saying yg is amazing with promotion and marketing, then I am not entertaining that bs.
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Is this the discussion where some people are saying that TWICE members have no star power and it factor and only Blackpink members have that level of star power and it factor? Wow. Just wow.
Nayeon, Sana, Jihyo, Mina easily have as much star power as Blackpink members and would've done as well under YG. Blackpink members aren't THAT unique or special that no other idols couldn't perform at the same level.
So don't give me that shit that TWICE members don't have what it takes and that Blackpink members are so extraordinary and 1-of-a-kind in the world that no other idols in TWICE or the BIG 4 or in K-pop are able to reach the same level if they operated under YG.
I mean have any other idols in Big 4 or in YG ever reached BP's level of star power? You have another gg in YG with the same producers, same number of members, same everything and they certainly couldn't. RV in SM have more solo promotions than BP in terms of variety, OSTs, and acting, but do they have the same influence?
As for branding and promo, people are really overestimating YG's role. They invested a lot in Jennie, but the others? Not when Jisoo and Rosé didn't even start doing solo gigs until 2019. Jisoo is not even fluent in English much less French but she had a stampede turn out for her in Paris two years in a row and made one of the biggest French luxury brands in the world bring a whole fashion show to her in Seoul. Sorry, you will have a hard time convincing me that every other idol could do the same thing.
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Is this the discussion where some people are saying that TWICE members have no star power and it factor and only Blackpink members have that level of star power and it factor? Wow. Just wow.
Nayeon, Sana, Jihyo, Mina easily have as much star power as Blackpink members and would've done as well under YG. Blackpink members aren't THAT unique or special that no other idols couldn't perform at the same level.
So don't give me that shit that TWICE members don't have what it takes and that Blackpink members are so extraordinary and 1-of-a-kind in the world that no other idols in TWICE or the BIG 4 or in K-pop are able to reach the same level if they operated under YG.
Your mixing up potential vs actual results. Of course lots of idols have potential but that doesn’t mean that has translated into success every time. For all the so called star power sana and co have what have they actually achieved solo? Nothing.
Bp meanwhile I don’t think are much talented but if you compare what they’re achieving vs Twice it’s a night and day difference. They’re getting cfs, solo songs, dramas, social media is crazy.
Potential is absolutely nothing if you don’t back it up. A genius kid in school could end up a loser later in real life. A upcoming sports star could get injured and never reach the heights they were hyped up to.
We’ve seen in happen regularly in kpop too, kpop fans hype their idol as the next big thing and they either don’t reach it or the get cut down early. Remember how everyone said Wendy is the best female singer of the 3rd gen and if she ever went solo she’d be up with Taeyeon? Wendy flopped digitally being beaten by Joy, very little social media buzz/YouTube, her popularity with public didn’t really increase. The only good thing she had was album sales.
Twice may have star power to you but to everyone else they have shown nothing that backs up the idea that they should be in the same league as BP members.
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Not people giving yg so much credit when all of their groups aside from bp & bb flop left and right with 1 or 2 members at best being sorta known. 2ne1 was also cl and friends.
Some twice members have the personality and charisma of a cardboard on and off stage, that's not something yg would magically fix. As if jyp are not also a big3 company
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Is this thread still goin on? lmao.
You give yg too much credit lmao, you are acting like yg actually promotes their artist unless you count photoshoots or modelling as something. Yes jyp is shit when it comes to solo stuffs
Sorry but please if you are gonna counter it by saying yg is amazing with promotion and marketing, then I am not entertaining that bs.
Not people giving yg so much credit when all of their groups aside from bp & bb flop left and right with 1 or 2 members at best being sorta known. 2ne1 was also cl and friends.
Some twice members have the personality and charisma of a cardboard on and off stage, that's not something yg would magically fix. As if jyp are not also a big3 company
YGE's the company that made kpop fans believe that every single Big Bang member incl Seungri, TOP and Daesung was a creative genius and super talent musician a la GDragon.
YGE's the company that made 2NE1 as popular internationally as SNSD and had YG stans and other kpop fans that believe everything if it's shouted loud and often enough, believe that 2NE1 were top talents and that YG groups were the only real artists, even when it's proven now that without YGE's branding power and without Teddy the individual 2NE1 members are nowhere near the level 2NE1 was, and Bom, Dara, Seungri, TOP and so many other YG idols are below average in dance, vocals and other musical talents.
So the answer is yes.
Yes, YGE really are - or better said, were - that good in making their groups happen and making the idols in those groups seem more than they are. You have to be blind or a big hater of YG to ignore or deny their power.
JYPE is a totally different story. They couldn't even make a multitalented visual like Fei happen. Suzy was totally their lucky shot. And with TWICE JYPE simply blocked any individual career opportunities that could have established TWICE members careers and brand power on an individual basis.
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Potential is absolutely nothing if you don’t back it up. A genius kid in school could end up a loser later in real life. A upcoming sports star could get injured and never reach the heights they were hyped up to.
We’ve seen in happen regularly in kpop too, kpop fans hype their idol as the next big thing and they either don’t reach it or the get cut down early. Remember how everyone said Wendy is the best female singer of the 3rd gen and if she ever went solo she’d be up with Taeyeon? Wendy flopped digitally being beaten by Joy, very little social media buzz/YouTube, her popularity with public didn’t really increase. The only good thing she had was album sales.
You're saying the same thing as that other guy (or girl).
A lot of idols have potential. It depends on the company they're with whether that potential will be realised. YGE are good at transforming that potential to real results, even for people like Dara, Bom, Seungri, etc etc.
Not sure about your other examples have much to do with the topic: charting on Korean charts has little to do with a group's or artist's popularity - if charting would be equal to popularity, the most popular groups and artists would always have the top hits, and less popular ones would never have great hits.
As for Wendy and Joy, both seem to do great with thriving careers each in their own way, and Wendy's reputation as top 3rd gen singer is established, each of her individual performances even in collabs seem to get praise.
JYPE, like said, is a perfect example what happens when a company does the opposite of YGE and let the individual potential of their idols wither away.
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Is this thread still goin on? lmao.
YGE's the company that made kpop fans believe that every single Big Bang member incl Seungri, TOP and Daesung was a creative genius and super talent musician a la GDragon.
YGE's the company that made 2NE1 as popular internationally as SNSD and had YG stans and other kpop fans that believe everything if it's shouted loud and often enough, believe that 2NE1 were top talents and that YG groups were the only real artists, even when it's proven now that without YGE's branding power and without Teddy the individual 2NE1 members are nowhere near the level 2NE1 was, and Bom, Dara, Seungri, TOP and so many other YG idols are below average in dance, vocals and other musical talents.
So the answer is yes.
Yes, YGE really are - or better said, were - that good in making their groups happen and making the idols in those groups seem more than they are. You have to be blind or a big hater of YG to ignore or deny their power.
JYPE is a totally different story. They couldn't even make a multitalented visual like Fei happen. Suzy was totally their lucky shot. And with TWICE JYPE simply blocked any individual career opportunities that could have established TWICE members careers and brand power on an individual basis.
International popularity doesn't matter when it was barely non existent in 2nd gen, that's why snsd always reigned over and actually became relevant even after disbandment and you did not just bring up 2ne1 who were literally sabotaged by the company and also they ended up literally having a flop solo career something the pinks won't at least not anytime soon. Bb has always been marketed by self producing since debut and koreans ate their stuff up but still its mostly GD anyway. What about the other yg groups though. Complete irrelevance. So yes I am not seeing the marketing genius you are trying to present yg as. If anything I would say sm does better job at that but that's another story.
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I mean have any other idols in Big 4 or in YG ever reached BP's level of star power? You have another gg in YG with the same producers, same number of members, same everything and they certainly couldn't. RV in SM have more solo promotions than BP in terms of variety, OSTs, and acting, but do they have the same influence?
As for branding and promo, people are really overestimating YG's role. They invested a lot in Jennie, but the others? Not when Jisoo and Rosé didn't even start doing solo gigs until 2019. Jisoo is not even fluent in English much less French but she had a stampede turn out for her in Paris two years in a row and made one of the biggest French luxury brands in the world bring a whole fashion show to her in Seoul. Sorry, you will have a hard time convincing me that every other idol could do the same thing.
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twice has too many members to garner bp's population in the west.
if you half the amount of members & put them under YG from the beginning (their styling, Teddy music, let them grow into the bad b personality,...) , they would be at least close to rose & jisoo's popularity now.
People saying YG weren't essential for their artists' successes, while the exact same people saying at the same time that as soon as they left YG or YG dropped them or stopped caring about them, those YG artists weren't successful and popular anymore...
i'm just waiting to see who of the bp members will be able to keep their hype after they leave yg/disband. all of them individually will probably still be more popular than other gg's internationally, but i think only Lisa (and Jennie in korea) will be able to keep her hype she has now.
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People saying YG weren't essential for their artists' successes, while the exact same people saying at the same time that as soon as they left YG or YG dropped them or stopped caring about them, those YG artists weren't successful and popular anymore...
This is just dumb beva
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People saying YG weren't essential for their artists' successes, while the exact same people saying at the same time that as soon as they left YG or YG dropped them or stopped caring about them, those YG artists weren't successful and popular anymore...
This is just dumb because every group needs their company and nobody is saying otherwise. The thing is YGE isn't that great as you guys are making it seem. You guys are just saying it to discredit BP when in reality we have a fucking big4 full of groups and just BTS is ahead of BP in popularity with the others YGE groups, except BB I'm talking about the active ones, are way behind the others big4 groups. So shut up with this non sense mentality.
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This is just dumb because every group needs their company and nobody is saying otherwise. The thing is YGE isn't that great as you guys are making it seem. You guys are just saying it to discredit BP when in reality we have a fucking big4 full of groups and just BTS is ahead of BP in popularity with the others YGE groups, except BB I'm talking about the active ones, are way behind the others big4 groups. So shut up with this non sense mentality.
I see a lot of people talking in extremes here, either ignoring YG's power or BP's power, but why?
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and that it's the combination that makes the success, like how all ingredients contribute to a splendid meal, not just one or separately.
Would Blackpink have been as successful if they had debuted under another company? We'll never know. Will Blackpink as a group or individually be successful without YG or Teddy, if they left YG? We'll only know after they leave.
Would YG have been able to make a super successful group with other idols, like for example TWICE members? We'll never know for sure. But YG do have a history of debuting multiple super successful and popular groups, so chances are high they'd be able to do that with other bgs, ggs and female idols too.
We also know that several artists of those YG groups failed to be successful without YG backing them up and without Teddy's song power. So that proves the powerful mix that YG+Teddy can add, or the power that GD brings: you can see the boy groups after Big Bang only succeed half of the times (and sometimes less) without GD's genius song composing work.
And with the girl groups it's the combination YG+Teddy that make it work.
Doesn't mean that it's always 100% successful. But having YG+Teddy involved or GD makes comebacks far more often succeed than not succeed, and definitely a lot more often than without those involved.
Would Blackpink or another YG group with different girl idols have been as successful and popular as BP are now? That's probably the key question.
YG+Teddy would probably have made another girl group very successful - YG+Teddy have shown they could make it happen for more groups and artists. But if it would've been on the same level as BP, we'll never know.
We'll only be able to compare when YG debut their next girl group.
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I see a lot of people talking in extremes here, either ignoring YG's power or BP's power, but why?
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and that it's the combination that makes the success, like how all ingredients contribute to a splendid meal, not just one or separately.
Would Blackpink have been as successful if they had debuted under another company? We'll never know. Will Blackpink as a group or individually be successful without YG or Teddy, if they left YG? We'll only know after they leave.
Would YG have been able to make a super successful group with other idols, like for example TWICE members? We'll never know for sure. But YG do have a history of debuting multiple super successful and popular groups, so chances are high they'd be able to do that with other bgs, ggs and female idols too.
We also know that several artists of those YG groups failed to be successful without YG backing them up and without Teddy's song power. So that proves the powerful mix that YG+Teddy can add, or the power that GD brings: you can see the boy groups after Big Bang only succeed half of the times (and sometimes less) without GD's genius song composing work.
And with the girl groups it's the combination YG+Teddy that make it work.
Doesn't mean that it's always 100% successful. But having YG+Teddy involved or GD makes comebacks far more often succeed than not succeed, and definitely a lot more often than without those involved.
Would Blackpink or another YG group with different girl idols have been as successful and popular as BP are now? That's probably the key question.
YG+Teddy would probably have made another girl group very successful - YG+Teddy have shown they could make it happen for more groups and artists. But if it would've been on the same level as BP, we'll never know.
We'll only be able to compare when YG debut their next girl group.
And you can say the same thing about any other group under the big3. So this talk is funny considering how just BP success is put in doubt every time.
Would Twice be as successful without JYPE? Just doubts and doubts and just BP being discredited.
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Yes, that's completely true, and no, TWICE wouldn't be as successful without JYPE.
It's time people start to realise that basically none of the Big 4 groups and other successful groups would be as successful as they are now without their company backing them up in a big way, especially if they have lots of resources and expertise like the Big 4 and even more so if the songwriters and producers aren't members of the group themselves.
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