The examples op gave....
It's obvious that stayc comes from the least privilege background and have no big hits. They just have songs that did mid in performance be it in Korea or international.
Le Sserafim has two solid sellers from izone and they are a hybe group
Kep1er a mnet gg
Aespa and ive both got hits way bigger than any stayc song. Also again one is a SM gg and the other has popular izone members.
Big3 ggs need no hit to sell lol. They got pre made fandom
Are there any non big 3, non produce gg that were selling on par with the big3 or produce ggs any time 
I would count them with the produce ggs. Similar to lsf.
Ador gg will sell well too probably so big4 now.
And people still underestimate the big4 influence by limiting it to just debut.
Too many members who don't contribute to the group.
I mean the group only has 6 members.....
StayC has the same problem that many groups in Kpop have. Too many members who don't contribute to the group. Also, their company doesn't represent them well enough. I know they have a lower budget and all, but you can make memorable mvs even with a lower budget.
The lie? They’re only 6 and Stayc is the group with the least filler stick to your YG groups if you’re pulling bs
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