People can post baity threads which are fine apparently, but OP can't ask questions meant for discussion? Since that's what's happening here- a discussion.
I call out baity threads too don't worry mother
This topic has been posted over and over and everyone knows the answer to it.
So what 'discussion' do you need when this is just going to end up turning into a thread that bashes and shades groups like every other "discussion" thread?
Discuss however you'd like but don't be surprised if people end up bashing groups because of this thread.