Do you think Blackpink already surpassed SNSD in terms of success?

  • I meant historically; obviously BP is currently more popular than Twice let alone SNSD who hasn't had a comeback in over four years. And Blackpink did not sell a million albums in Korea or even close to it, Gaon tracks album sales worldwide from Korean distributors, it's not actual sales within Korea. Far more of BP's album sales came from SEA and China than they did from SK. SNSD is the only girl group that was the most popular group in fandom size and with the GP at the same time domestically. Something that BP has never done (BTS/Wanna One/NCT/EXO/Seventeen all have had bigger fandoms at various points in their career). And in terms of GP success there has always been some other group with more success too, whether Twice/iKon/BTS.


    I put Twice second because they were the closest to achieving what SNSD did at their peak. In 2016 Twice had the third biggest domestic fandom behind EXO/BTS but were clearly the most popular group with the GP that year (Cheer Up and TT were enormous hits). And all the singles they released between 2016-2018 were big successes that everyone still knows.

    you got a source for that most of the albums coming from sea claim cause I would love to see that honestly cause I'm trying to find it myself but nothing is popping up. Also You're comparing BP to BGs but not doing the same for SNSD?? Cause I was actually a kpop fan around that time and there was definitely a period around Gee-Genie-Oh that SNSD has back to back national hits but I would not say they were overall constantly more popular then groups like Big Bang, Kara, etc etc. There was definitely a period of time where they were the undisputed top girl group but its not like they were absolutely killing everyone else in every single metric.

  • True. But isn't international popularity more important when you're as big as Blackpink?


    They are probably the biggest GG worldwide from the past decade


    Still, matching Yoona or Taeyeon's popularity in SK seems impossible since Blackpink barely promotes there

    Jennie's impact in korea is huge (no other 3rd/4th girl group come close) so they definitely matched snsd in that regard that and if Jisoo's drama does well they definitely will accomplish

    that even Rose is popular in Korea

  • I meant historically; obviously BP is currently more popular than Twice let alone SNSD who hasn't had a comeback in over four years. And Blackpink did not sell a million albums in Korea or even close to it, Gaon tracks album sales worldwide from Korean distributors, it's not actual sales within Korea. Far more of BP's album sales came from SEA and China than they did from SK. SNSD is the only girl group that was the most popular group in fandom size and with the GP at the same time domestically. Something that BP has never done (BTS/Wanna One/NCT/EXO/Seventeen all have had bigger fandoms at various points in their career). And in terms of GP success there has always been some other group with more success too, whether Twice/iKon/BTS.


    I put Twice second because they were the closest to achieving what SNSD did at their peak. In 2016 Twice had the third biggest domestic fandom behind EXO/BTS but were clearly the most popular group with the GP that year (Cheer Up and TT were enormous hits). And all the singles they released between 2016-2018 were big successes that everyone still knows.

    Snsd albums sales didn't come from Korea only lol they had a considerably big fanbase in Japan and SEA countries too ( I was a sone I know lol ) with Twice it was even more their second fanbase is in Japan.


    you are being totally ridiculous lol blackpink sold 1.4 M copies their album sales don't come from SEA and China only if this was the case they wouldn't be able to this well lol. Sis, you are forgetting US, which also a considerably a good part of their audience. Not to mention, how popular they are in Brazil and Mexico and even if kpop is a niche market in some parts of Europe or the world they still were able to make a world tour something that another girl group yet has been able to do. Stop acting that all bp album sales come from SEA as if this isn't the case for most kpop groups lol SEA kpop fans consume kpop in general.

  • Why are even talking about album sales here lol


    Idk that much about SNSD but as far I know they were selling 400k albums which was BG numbers at that time GG were struggling to sell more than 100k copies back in day.


    Physical market is growing new groups are selling more than their seniors


    Internationally no one is touching BP they have the stats

    I don’t think they touch SNSD legacy in Korea but

    Some people are underestimating BP they have the stats in Korea. The fact they pulled 1B digitals points without releases, they are the most searched GG on MelOn.

    The president of Korea thanked BP for spreading Hallyu wave worldwide.


    Jennie got a smash hit with her debut single which pushed her as Korea It girl.

    Rosé did well even if OTG is so far from being Solo level it pulled 400k uls which means THE GP was anticipating Rosé solo.


    If Jisoo hit big with her drama she will be considered as a A-Celebrity in Korea

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  • Yes when it comes to the impact they had in Korea and in Asia. They are already the biggest GG.

  • Success/popularity - Maybe (Internationally), No (Korea)

    Legacy - No


    Honestly BP success as a group reminds me a lot of 2NE1- multiple hit songs, huge yt views, high international popularity (for their time). Their main difference is BP have way better album sales, thats all.

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  • Worldwide, mainly outside Asia, yeah.


    But I think SNSD impact and influence particularly in Korea and Asia is still much bigger. They weren't just an NGG, they were deemed cultural icons in Korea and ruled all forms of media from music and TV and radio and endorsements. The was a famous saying that you couldn't watch TV without seeing SNSD either in TV shows, dramas it even the national news. They set many new records that were crazy even for back then such as million seller, Gee impact, biggest touring gg, huge YouTube numbers for a non American singer etc. Times have changed and tech is more advanced and kpop is more accessible than ever so it's inevitable direct sales are bigger with BP but for the time SNSD were beasts.


    Their influence on kpop industry is unmatched too: they were one of the main reasons kpop spread worldwide, electrified Japan and opened the flood gates for everyone to join in, they are the blueprint for many many ggs including black pink original project group which to be supposed to be YGSNSD etc. You just have to look things now for a14 yo group with no cb for 4 years at things like with brand indexes not for the chart itself but the fact SNSD is still regularly talked about enough to keep charting high up with new groups, members with strong careers especially the likes of Taeyeon and Yoona who reached massive heights as it girls, many many idols say SNSD is their role models (and the infamous meme "I was almost in SNSD") etc.

  • Do you think they surpassed Mariah Carey sunbaenim?


    My guess is no


    Anticipate Mariah Carey sunbaenim ending everyone


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  • Snsd albums sales didn't come from Korea only lol they had a considerably big fanbase in Japan and SEA countries too ( I was a sone I know lol ) with Twice it was even more their second fanbase is in Japan.

    you are being totally ridiculous lol blackpink sold 1.4 M copies their album sales don't come from SEA and China only if this was the case they wouldn't be able to this well lol. Sis, you are forgetting US, which also a considerably a good part of their audience. Not to mention, how popular they are in Brazil and Mexico and even if kpop is a niche market in some parts of Europe or the world they still were able to make a world tour something that another girl group yet has been able to do. Stop acting that all bp album sales come from SEA as if this isn't the case for most kpop groups lol SEA kpop fans consume kpop in general.

    I totally know BP has a huge fandom worldwide and have a reach far beyond any other GG before them, but my point is BP's SK fandom is not responsible for all 1.4 million albums or even close to it, as their fanbase in SK isn't even their 2nd biggest fanbase. So bringing up their album sales vs. SNSD is pointless because it's not measuring domestic popularity at all. And as far as I know albums sold on Oricon aren't counted on Gaon because they are sold through Japanese distributors (like Tower records or what have you). Although in the case of Twice by 2016 it's possible Japanese fans were bulk buying from Korea to pump up the sales I guess.


    However, Twice's peak lasted three years where they had multiple PAKs and 9 #1s on Gaon/Melon is just 3 years while being the best selling GG album wise and dominating music shows at the same time. Blackpink had one year as the undisputed top selling GG (IZ*ONE and Twice both outsold them album-wise in 2019)and then have released no music in 2021. So how can you say their legacy is as great as SNSD and Twice in SK, when they only had one year as the biggest GG. And just anecdotally as someone who lived in SK the entire time both Twice and BP have been active, BP has never even come close to the cultural saturation Twice had 2016-2017, and from what everyone I know tells me SNSD's era was even beyond that back in 2009-2010.

  • you got a source for that most of the albums coming from sea claim cause I would love to see that honestly cause I'm trying to find it myself but nothing is popping up. Also You're comparing BP to BGs but not doing the same for SNSD?? Cause I was actually a kpop fan around that time and there was definitely a period around Gee-Genie-Oh that SNSD has back to back national hits but I would not say they were overall constantly more popular then groups like Big Bang, Kara etc. There was definitely a period of time where they were the undisputed top girl group but its not like they were absolutely killing everyone else in every single metric.

    Unfortunately no source, it was a bit of a projection on my part because everyone says their biggest fandom is SEA after China, but my main point is they definitely did not sell over a million albums just in SK. I know their c-bar publicized their pre-orders at the time and it was over 700k so just that number means that Blackpink couldn't have sold one million albums in just Korea (and literally no group does except BTS). Just for comparison even Baekhyun didn't sell 300k in SK for his latest solo album in just SK based off of fansite pre-orders and his fandom (not gp popularity) is probably bigger than BPs in SK.


    And I did explicitly compare SNSD to boy groups which was the reason I did the same for BP and Twice. SNSD is the only girl group to finish first on the year end chart (Twice and BP both peaked at #5) on Gaon, but when SNSD did it the albums purchased in SK effectively only counted for Gaon. Bulk buying and international fans ordering on ktown4u was just not a thing then. And as far as I know albums that are sold through Japanese distributors and counted on Oricon don't count on Gaon. And there was no Gaon chart in 2009 but Gee was the most downloaded idol song of 2009 based off the information we have, and it definitely made the largest/lasting cultural impact of any song released that year.

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