(Philosophical Question) How come it is easier to fill a Japanese Stadium/Dome than a Korean Stadium?

  • Japan has a few big places to perform, but the Nissan Stadium in Yokohama can field the most number of attendees.


    The Nissan Stadium can house 70,000 concert viewers, but in practice it is never held for one day so one has to draw at least 140,000 in order to do a concert.


    Only DBSK (not TVXQ!) had concerts at there among Kpop acts (five times). Even BTS did not get to perform there; its 2020 schedule had Saitama and Osaka , I believe, but not the Nissan Stadium.


    No female soloist has ever held a concert there, and only Momoiro Clover Z (five times ) ad AKB48 (at its height) held a concert there.


    Tokyo Dome had a less tall barrier; with a capacities of around 50,000 (sometimes a little bit less), the following KPop figures had performed concerts there;

    Rain

    Ryu Shiwon (an actor famous during 2000s and popular in Japan at that time)

    TVXQ

    Big Bang

    JYJ

    DBSK

    Kara

    SNSD

    Shinee

    2PM

    EXO

    G-Dragon (by himself)

    BTS

    Twice

    Blackpink


    Excluding Rain and Ryu Shiwon, and counting TVXQ/JYJ/DBSK and Big Bang/G-Dragon as one act,


    Ten acts played at Tokyo Dome (plus Music Bank 2011 Tokyo, which was an event and not counted above.)


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    In Korea, the Gochuk, and the CJ Mnet Arena which has not even built (who knows when it will be completed), house just 20,000 or so so I am not including them.


    Only these Kpop acts performed at either the Chamshil Olympic Main Stadium, or the Sang'am Main Soccer Stadium.


    JYJ

    Big Bang (Sang'am Soccer Stadium)

    EXO

    BTS


    In Japan,


    One in the Nissan Stadium (plus BTS if the country opens up)

    Nine in the Tokyo Dome


    In Korea,


    One in the Sang'am Soccer stadium (for one day)

    Three in the Olympic Main Stadium.


    It was easier to fill the Japanese stadium and dome than Korean stadiums!



    Plus it is noted that no female soloist in Japanese history tried a concert at the Nissan Stadium.


    In Korea, a certain soloist tried to hold a concert at the Olympic Stadium. She is not included above because she is NOT a KPop singer (although her recent song might finally qualify her as one), but considering no Japanese female soloist ever held a concert at its largest venue, the nerve of the certain soloist to hold a concert at there would have put her ahead of all Japanese female soloists and in the same league with BigBang, EXO and BTS.

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  • first korea has half the population of Japan


    second, something I notice but not 100% sure is that Korea don't have the same concert going culture like Japan or the US.


    In japan and US, people can or will go to concert even if they not a fan or the artist. they will go if they like a few song or like a group/friend activity. whereas in Korea, people usually go if they are a fan. Something that was confusing to me years ago was when Sistar was holding concert at 2000-3000 venue when they were on top of the digital chart. I notice that fandom driven artist give bigger concert than public friendly artists even when the fandom artist has abysmal digital chart.

  • Japan has a bigger concert culture and casuals spend a good amount of money to see live shows as an entertainment opportunity


    In SK only fans attend to these shows


    No idea about the average price of tickets in those countries

  • Would you go to IU's concert if it were held in your country?

    :whatb:

  • because Korea has no concert culture


    I have also noticed that kpop fans idealize the Nissan Stadium too much, in Japan the three most prestigious venues for concerts are Nippon Budokan, Tokyo Dome and Kokuritsu, Nissan is only big, for examplo Arashi never played in Nissan, but they are practically the owners of Kokuritsu, which is much more important

  • Iu is a kpop singer since kpop only means korean pop. For someone who writes these long philosophical essays, you sure know not a lot

    Just because someone sings in korean doesn’t mean it’s kpop...


    Kpop is korean Sung pop music but it’s more-so is an industry (outside of Korea)


    IU doesn’t market herself as such and many Koreans singers don’t like to be referred to as kpop or out in the same space as idols.

  • Just because someone sings in korean doesn’t mean it’s kpop...


    Kpop is korean Sung pop music but it’s more-so is an industry (outside of Korea)


    IU doesn’t market herself as such and many Koreans singers don’t like to be referred to as kpop or out in the same space as idols.

    K-Pop itself is more an umbrella term of Korean music but even ig she doesn’t promote herself like that now, she did and she is still a K-pop singer no matter how much her fans deny it. She is much more a K-pop artists than a lot of other Korean artists (not the international popular ones)

  • I wonder how companies keep track of demand. The tickets are gone so fast I wonder if they couldn't do more concerts or bigger venues.

    They tend to be too conservative (except YG, which is too aggressive).


    BlackPink became the first act to have a concert at the Gymnastics Arena .


    JYP had waited Twice to do a concert at there, after BlackPink and a certain soloist as well.

  • because Korea has no concert culture


    I have also noticed that kpop fans idealize the Nissan Stadium too much, in Japan the three most prestigious venues for concerts are Nippon Budokan, Tokyo Dome and Kokuritsu, Nissan is only big, for examplo Arashi never played in Nissan, but they are practically the owners of Kokuritsu, which is much more important

    Kokuritsu has been torn down to make the new stadium for the olympics, which is in doubt now (no preliminary events have been played).


    Nippon Budokan is important for Japanese artists since performing there is kind of a confirmation that they have made it into the mainstream, but in Korea, the Gymnastic Arena serves that purpose so it is not really necessary for them to perform there if they could get bigger audiences elsewhere

  • Kokuritsu has been torn down to make the new stadium for the olympics, which is in doubt now (no preliminary events have been played).


    Nippon Budokan is important for Japanese artists since performing there is kind of a confirmation that they have made it into the mainstream, but in Korea, the Gymnastic Arena serves that purpose so it is not really necessary for them to perform there if they could get bigger audiences elsewhere

    arashi already had a concert in the new kokuritsu, arafes 2020

  • Iu is a kpop singer since kpop only means korean pop. For someone who writes these long philosophical essays, you sure know not a lot

    IU is probably the only major singer in the KPop era to do bigger concerts in Korea than elsewhere (and she can't even hold a fan meeting in Japan anymore).


    She has sung a grand total of two Kpop songs in her entire career (Bbibbi, her first Kpop song, and now Celebrity) geared towards international popularity

  • Just because someone sings in korean doesn’t mean it’s kpop...


    Kpop is korean Sung pop music but it’s more-so is an industry (outside of Korea)


    IU doesn’t market herself as such and many Koreans singers don’t like to be referred to as kpop or out in the same space as idols.

    IU has played her ambiguous status for quite a long time. She styles herself as an artist although she has topped the Idol ranking on 2015 and 2017, and her song is not KPop at all.


    That aside, she has not given up her attempts to capitalize on the kpop craze as well which is why she has sung BbiBbi and now Celebrity.

  • IU is probably the only major singer in the KPop era to do bigger concerts in Korea than elsewhere (and she can't even hold a fan meeting in Japan anymore).


    She has sung a grand total of two Kpop songs in her entire career (Bbibbi, her first Kpop song, and now Celebrity) geared towards international popularity

    What about 23? What about her early days? Good day? You &I? The red shoes? Jam Jam?

    Solo artists like Ailee still count as K-Pop even though they do not sound like K-Pop groups.

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