If you have to use fanmeets to “educate” idols, maybe it’s time to leave Kpop

  • First NCT, now Lisa


    I would kill for an opportunity to meet an idol, have them see me, get to have a conversation, tell them how much I am a fan of them, they get to know me more, and stuff like that


    Meanwhile these idiots get the opportunity, and they blow it by being condescending bullies…. I mean “educating” their faves on cosmetics they don’t want them having cuz it’s cultural appropriation that hurts their poor poor feelings :rolleyes:


    To me it’s just disrespectful not only to the idols, but to fans who would’ve loved to have an opportunity to meet them


    People like this suck the fun out of everything. You really had a whole opportunity to meet your idol, and you were more obsessed with trying to impress your Twitter followers, all 66 of them, for trying to be the king/queen of wokeness who “put that idol in their place”


    “Cultural appropriation” is a western sub-concept that zoomers overuse. Not everyone even knows it, let alone want to be bothered to subscribe to that ideology


    You don’t have to like what they wear or do, but you have no right to bully them into not expressing themselves the way they want to


    Not to mention it’s pointless as hell. Cuz you can “educate” your idols all you want, but if the company tells them to put it on, they’re putting it on. So you wasted your time even more lmfao


    If Fanmeets started to be a Korean/Asian only event, I wouldn’t even oppose to it at this point

  • Personal choice on what people can do at fanmeets, if they are being respectful they can talk about almost anything


    These idols are just employees, they aren’t some entities beyond humans. Just your regular person with a shit ton of ps and makeup


    They can get educated

  • Personal choice on what people can do at fanmeets, if they are being respectful they can talk about almost anything


    These idols are just employees, they aren’t some entities beyond humans. Just your regular person with a shit ton of ps and makeup


    They can get educated

    Being condescending over some BS that people don’t have to subscribe to is not educating, nor is a fanmeet an appropriate environment to push it during


    And you don’t have any business doing that to regular people either lmfao

  • Being condescending over some BS that people don’t have to subscribe to is not educating, nor is a fanmeet an appropriate environment to push it during


    And you don’t have any business doing that to regular people either lmfao

    We live in a society. And there exists many differences, so communicating understanding is an essential part. Lisa isn’t obligated to heed to their every whim like a slave but if given the chance people are allowed to speak their mind

  • Like I said before, there are things that need to be addressed, but at the appropriate time and place. A fanmeeting is not it.

    But what is the appropriate time? Fans don't get many opportunities to meet idols. And I don't think sending things to companies does anything, many of them clearly just ignore it. If it even gets as far as anyone who can make a decision.

  • I think it depends on how the issue is raised. Should be possible to do so kindly. Feedback doesn't have to be bullying. For instance someone could say, "I really loved this video, although xyz made me a little uncomfortable because only people from [whatever] culture wear this thing. Many people don't know that though so I just wanted to make you aware for the future."


    I think something like that is fine.

  • But what is the appropriate time? Fans don't get many opportunities to meet idols. And I don't think sending things to companies does anything, many of them clearly just ignore it. If it even gets as far as anyone who can make a decision.

    It doesn't matter how often fans get to see idols in person. It's in appropriate. This isn't an event where she can just get up and leave. She's at work. Do you think it's appropriate for someone to "educate" your local Walmart cashier about things the company does that they probably have no control over?

  • You're a fan, know your place. Here's the proper way to treat those who cross the line:


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    Try to educate this guy so we can have a good laugh.

  • I can't even imagine wasting my time waiting in line to meet my faves, just to use the opportunity to scold them for a western problem. Just a waste of my time to create a bad experience for all involved.


    Like, I get why people are mad when white American celebrities wear box braids when black children have their braids cut off while at school. Is that really a problem that is happening in South Korea? Are Korean teachers cutting off kids' hair or kicking them out of class? No? Then stop outsourcing American problems to other countries so you can feel superior.

  • It doesn't matter how often fans get to see idols in person. It's in appropriate. This isn't an event where she can just get up and leave. She's at work. Do you think it's appropriate for someone to "educate" your local Walmart cashier about things the company does that they probably have no control over?

    I'm sorry but I don't think it's the same thing. If she was uncomfortable staff would have ended the call. Actually Lisa apparently told staff she was going to continue the call after the alarm went off. That fan got the equivalent of 3 slots so that Lisa could speak with her. Which makes me think all the petitions (and I think even a protest truck) before really didn't reach her. (I feel like Lisa probably spends most of her free time on Thai social media so I can believe that she wouldn't randomly see posts on CA.) There were worse ways this could have happened. The fan was very respectful.

  • I'm sorry but I don't think it's the same thing. If she was uncomfortable staff would have ended the call. Actually Lisa apparently told staff she was going to continue the call after the alarm went off. That fan got the equivalent of 3 slots so that Lisa could speak with her. Which makes me think all the petitions (and I think even a protest truck) before really didn't reach her. (I feel like Lisa probably spends most of her free time on Thai social media so I can believe that she wouldn't randomly see posts on CA.) There were worse ways this could have happened. The fan was very respectful.

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  • I can't even imagine wasting my time waiting in line to meet my faves, just to use the opportunity to scold them for a western problem. Just a waste of my time to create a bad experience for all involved.


    Like, I get why people are mad when white American celebrities wear box braids when black children have their braids cut off while at school. Is that really a problem that is happening in South Korea? Are Korean teachers cutting off kids' hair or kicking them out of class? No? Then stop outsourcing American problems to other countries so you can feel superior.

    What does that even mean? So they can use the black American culture for profit, style, but not responsibility?? Ofc Koreans are not going to suffer the same discrimination, it's not their culture!

    The point is that the same generosity isn't shared with those black children... those types of hairstyles are THEIR hairstyles. Not something they choose as a fashion statement and have no cultural history attached to it.

  • I agree.


    And since we at it, sometime I seriously wonder if certain people are drawn to Kpop to feel a certain "superior complex" over it. The audacity to assume a moral higher ground to "educate" strangers about a very niche, sub-culture of American society that only exist at very selected corner of the internet. Then proceed to be mad at people across the ocean for not knowing it, when I bet even your next door neighbor don't know about it. I hate to break it to a lot of you but CA is not a worldwide thing, it's very American, and very very niche and very new. So how much superiority and self-importance do you have to assume that everyone should know about your very niche cultural view/problem when you probably can't point more than 10 countries on a map


    Second, the irony of "educating" about CA does not elude me to the fact that many "internet warriors" cannot speak about CA in a coherent logical manner in the first place, except for the stuff they saw and parrot from Twitter or various variations of "it may hurt my/other people's feeling" type of education. How can you try to "educate" people when you know jack-shit?


    I'm not disregarding CA and I know it's real but damn it is soooo overplayed and used as a bullying tactics by people who just want to throw shit.

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