Why don't new kpop fans look into kpop history?

  • majority of hip hop fans in america all seem to look into the history of hip hop.


    Rock fans all know who acdc is.


    And hell, even 1directioners know who backstreet boys are.


    But why cant newer gen fans do some research? Here let me assist you.


    TVXQ

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    These are arguably their 2 biggest hits in Korea. Listen to both and you'll understand why they were such a big deal back then.


    SNSD

    Gee

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    Gee was the birth of twice a new concept in kpop and its ridiculous catchy tune propelled them to the biggest gg of their time!


    IGAB was an international success racking up views and they won awards for that album also won YouTube video of the year!!


    These are only 2 of many, i don't know why kpop fans never bother to learn... there are so many great discographies....


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    Etc etc...


    I just want to know why you dont bother why is that? When I first got into kpop in 2011. I quickly learnt of all the groups. Ss501 shinhwa ses i learnt all of them.


    Now people are like 'huh what's an afterschool' ;(

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  • There's a difference between knowing who someone is and expecting for someone to endlessly praise a group that they don't even know.


    Kpop fans /2nd gen stans take it too far. Stop expecting for people to study the whole history of Kpop when they only like BTS (as an example).

  • You know, I find it funny why in the Western world even young people know of legends like Michael Jackson, Whitney Huston, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Beyonce, Rihanna.


    Like even new young music listeners praise them and know of their legendary status.


    But suddenly when people mention old KPOP groups new fans be like "WHY DO I NEED TO CARE ABOUT THEM MY FAVES MADE KPOP FAMOUS" and gets offended :S:S

  • There's a difference between knowing who someone is and expecting for someone to endlessly praise a group that they don't even know.


    Kpop fans /2nd gen stans take it too far. Stop expecting for people to study the whole history of Kpop when they only like BTS (as an example).

    Yeah, but they drag and bash 2nd groups that they don't know and haven't even studied. I only get mad at that time, besides I have no problem.

  • There's a difference between knowing who someone is and expecting for someone to endlessly praise a group that they don't even know.


    Kpop fans /2nd gen stans take it too far. Stop expecting for people to study the whole history of Kpop when they only like BTS (as an example).

    I don't think you get it.


    Some of them have never heard a super junior song... that's how much they ignore kpop history.


    I once spoke to an ateez fan who said they never heard exo before.. its becoming quite clear they ignore older groups on purpose. Which is strange. Very strange to me.

  • You know, I find it funny why in the Western world even young people know of legends like Michael Jackson, Whitney Huston, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Beyonce, Rihanna.


    Like even new young music listeners praise them and know of their legendary status.


    But suddenly when people mention old KPOP groups new fans be like "WHY DO I NEED TO CARE ABOUT THEM MY FAVES MADE KPOP FAMOUS" and gets offended.

    That's not a good example, imo. Almost everyone knows who those artists are because they were/are worldwide legends.


    Groups like SNSD and TVXQ were legends in Kpop/Korea so if someone only got into Kpop because they saw NCT perform in America, they aren't going to know about those groups unless they look into it.

  • They don't have to unless they're interested in the genre as a whole.


    As long as they don't start spewing inaccuracies about groups and things they don't know (which many do lol) then they don't really need to learn about kpop's history

  • Yeah, but they drag and bash 2nd groups that they don't know and haven't even studied. I only get mad at that time, besides I have no problem.

    Yeah, that's not right but I have seen 2nd generation stans complain about kpop fans not knowing anything, in general when you wouldn't really know about these groups unless you looked or are around old kpop fans.

  • That's not a good example, imo. Almost everyone knows who those artists are because they were/are worldwide legends.


    Groups like SNSD and TVXQ were legends in Kpop/Korea so if someone only got into Kpop because they saw NCT perform in America, they aren't going to know about those groups unless they look into it.

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  • Yeah, that's not right but I have seen 2nd generation stans complain about kpop fans not knowing anything, in general when you wouldn't really know about these groups unless you looked or are around old kpop fans.

    So it's true I guess? Since you already said that they wouldn't know about those groups, and so when 2nd Gen stans say KPOP fans don't know anything they are right about it because ... they don't

  • I don't think you get it.


    Some of them have never heard a super junior song... that's how much they ignore kpop history.


    I once spoke to an ateez fan who said they never heard exo before.. its becoming quite clear they ignore older groups on purpose. Which is strange. Very strange to me.

    I remember a few years ago, during the 2nd season of produce, one of the teams covered Sorry Sorry. A while later Super Junior performed Sorry Sorry in a music show special and an enraged fan stormed the comments section demanding a clarification as to how this group could just casually plagiarise the song AND CHOREOGRAPHY of Kang Daniel's team. It was surreal :pepe-joy:


    The fandom still uses screenshots of their meltdown as a meme

  • Honestly, some just can't be bothered.


    For example, I love eating meat, but I don't have to know the history of meat to actually enjoy eating it.


    Why'd spend time learning about old groups that already disbanded? It's gonna break their heart if they actually fell in love with them.


    But for those who rudely insults, it's just immaturity and pure rudeness. No other explanation.

  • I don't think you get it.


    Some of them have never heard a super junior song... that's how much they ignore kpop history.


    I once spoke to an ateez fan who said they never heard exo before.. its becoming quite clear they ignore older groups on purpose. Which is strange. Very strange to me.

    No, I think I do get it and you are proving my point.


    Do you think that Ariana Grande stans are expected to listen to a Mariah Carey song? No, because they are liking Ariana for her music, not Mariah's.


    It's their choice if they want to listen to a Super Junior song and some people just don't like old music, especially if they are stanning the new generation for its modern concept.


    Heard an exo song?


    Nobody is ignoring the 2nd generation. People are just sticking to their faves.

  • Maybe not insult, but a lot of people like to say things like "those groups weren't even as big look at now" or that they "didnt do much to make KPOP popular", and belittle what 2nd Gen groups achieved.


    And when people call them out about it, they go on and be like "REMEMBER THE TIMES YOU GUYS USED TO RUB YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS IN MY FAVES FACES NOW MY FAVES ARE BIGGER WHOS TALKING NOW?"

  • Wait, didn't Kpop start in 4th gen?


    I only listened to SNSD and Miss A from 2nd generation and BoA from 1st generation. I'm not that interested in older acts. I know they exist, it's just that I've never listened to them.


    I'm not a fan of the K-pop genre, I'm a fan of the acts I listen to. I see no obligation to listen to other acts.

  • Yeah, that's not right but I have seen 2nd generation stans complain about kpop fans not knowing anything, in general when you wouldn't really know about these groups unless you looked or are around old kpop fans.

    2nd gen groups have brought up only when new kpop fans have started denying their contribution in kpop when they don't even know who they are. Then I have explained 2nd gen's contribution but majority of them denies it brings Seo Taji & Boys. They like ignore only 2nd gen lol. Act like kpop has started with Seo Taji & Boys went direct to 3rd gen.

  • There's a difference between knowing who someone is and expecting for someone to endlessly praise a group that they don't even know.

    There's an in-between that is called 'respecting'.


    Pop music, by definition, draws the widest and most diverse audience. Therefore it also is the shallowest, the most casual ie. the less interested in musicianship, songwriting, composition, etc.

    As a metalhead in my teen years, it was natural for me to have some knowledge and some respect for the forefathers of the genre even if I didn't really listen to them myself.

    Another strange thing to me are those who only listen to one group (like BTS, just to pick a name at random). How can you say you like k-pop if you're only interested in one group?

  • Because they might not even be truly invested in the genre as a whole :whatb: Lots of people who like BTS/BP in the west don't care about the rest of the genre, they are mostly pop fans and have 1-2 kpop groups in their list of faves.

  • confusing ....so...if you mean that new fans should give music from previous gens a chance then yes they should...there are fine gems o music in previous gens...

    on the other hand if you mean that they should educate themselves about what they are getting into just to get their facts straight.....then nope ...they dont have to...if they do then good for them but it not an obligation that one must follow...

  • Thats the point of this thread tho.. they ignore second gen.


    And why? Besides majority of ariana fans definitely know mariah come on....

  • globalization of Kpop has it's side effects


    but don't worry, new fans have plenty of time to discover and explore Kpop in their own pace.


    give them the space and time to do that instead of constantly pressuring them to do research.


    exploring should be enjoyable and fun, it shouldn't feel like a task or a chore for the new fan to do.

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    Interesting because I can see both perspectives


    On the one hand knowledge of history (especially kpop history) is important to understand the context of why kpop is kpop of today. That's why each generation built upon the music, knowledge, technology, style of the previous to what it is today.


    One the other hand - people should be able to listen to what they want.


    Kpop is a specific (I can't even say genre because its not) "type" of music that is unique because in essence the level of fandom is unseen in most musical genres.


    In other musical genres you like the genre of music - rock, soul, hip-hop, blues, country etc - they all have a very distinct style pf music - aka genre. Kpop on the other hand ins't a genre, it can be EDM, ballad, trot, hip-hop etc all they all fit under kpop. But because different groups can do a vast range of music within the kpop genre its hard to find cohesion within kpop each group then acts as a distinct genre itself.


    BTS does BTS music, TVXQ does TVXW music, SES does SES music - like each group is its own genre - you can listen to one group and never listen to another and still be able to see a vast range of music that that group has done.


    So in western pop for example its under the popular music umbrella with each artist representing a part of pop but in kpop no one artist really falls under the kpop umbrella - they are their own distinct entities per se and thus when a fan says I stan BP they don't mean they necessarily like kpop - they like BP music (ie. the genre of music that is BP) and nothing else. Now if they choose to listen to other kpop music and expand their horizons enough to an extend that they may then be considered kpop fans then at that point I would say the history is important.


    Thus I see a distinct line drawn between kpop fans (of kpop music in general) v group fans (ie. I like BTS and TXT and EPH) who are interested in nothing else but that specific group

  • I see both sides disrespecting each other tbh.


    2nd gen stans downplaying the 3rd and 4th gen idols and the 3rd or 4th gen stans also retaliate back. Respect will come when both party show respect to all generations.. remember 1st gen exists too..


    To me, if you want to get into kpop, it’s good if you explore and check out the older acts because there are many gems but if you only like one or two act, it’s ok too. Just don’t go around fighting or shading without knowing anything.

  • Maybe not insult, but a lot of people like to say things like "those groups weren't even as big look at now" or that they "didnt do much to make KPOP popular", and belittle what 2nd Gen groups achieved.


    And when people call them out about it, they go on and be like "REMEMBER THE TIMES YOU GUYS USED TO RUB YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS IN MY FAVES FACES NOW MY FAVES ARE BIGGER WHOS TALKING NOW?"

    Well to be honest, 2nd gen stans aren't exactly saints.


    I'm a 2nd gen stan myself before and we really weren't saints. The fandom before was toxic too. But to be fair all fandoms have a toxic side.


    And you are right about the 'Remember the times you used ur achievements thing..' because 2nd gen stans tend to do that a lot. Of course 3rd gens are gonna respond.


    But I am also annoyed by some who disregard the 2nd gen completely.

  • :pepe-toast: Can you donate me akorns? Nice essay, btw.

  • The problem I see is turning music into something it isn't. Music isn't homework, or a job. It's something that adds to your life, not something that your life should be about. If these forums were more about sharing music instead of who's music is better, or who should we pay homage to, perhaps music from all eras would be more commonly known.

  • Because I'm a music nerd, I have listened to Gen 2 and Gen 1 and I know most of the drama that happened. SNSD is my favourite GG, however I do think this forcing Gen 3 and 4 stans to listen to older music is a bit strange? I get being frustrated if they downplay Gen 2 and 1 but if they genuinely just don't care and are only in it for one group, they shouldn't be demanded into listening to it. I'm active in multiple other music forums outside of kpop but it's really only kpop fans that expect this, looks a bit like lowkey gatekeeping to me tbh.

  • Wait, didn't Kpop start in 4th gen?


    I only listened to SNSD and Miss A from 2nd generation and BoA from 1st generation. I'm not that interested in older acts. I know they exist, it's just that I've never listened to them.


    I'm not a fan of the K-pop genre, I'm a fan of the acts I listen to. I see no obligation to listen to other acts.

    Me at your post


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  • Because I'm a music nerd, I have listened to Gen 2 and Gen 1 and I know most of the drama that happened. SNSD is my favourite GG, however I do think this forcing Gen 3 and 4 stans to listen to older music is a bit strange? I get being frustrated if they downplay Gen 2 and 1 but if they genuinely just don't care and are only in it for one group, they shouldn't be demanded into listening to it. I'm active in multiple other music forums outside of kpop but it's really only kpop fans that expect this, looks a bit like lowkey gatekeeping to me tbh.

    Im not telling anyone to.. im just curious as to why they dont.


    If they can tell me why then id like to know.


    For example.. i don't listen to much 4th gen because the titles alone from the group's disappoint me, and I don't take much time to try their discography. And in general im not too curious.


    So i want to know their reasons

  • The problem I see is turning music into something it isn't. Music isn't homework, or a job. It's something that adds to your life, not something that your life should be about. If these forums were more about sharing music instead of who's music is better, or who should we pay homage to, perhaps music from all eras would be more commonly known.

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