I know people kinda shovel crap at this group all the time but I cannot help finding myself loving all of their songs. There is never a song on their albums that I am able to skip. They may have some odd line distribution which is frustrating and even though I am a hardcore Cheshire, I don't find myself hating them. The girls are talented and it is not their fault they blew up as much as they did. The only one we can blame for the CLC situation is the messed up corporate structure at Cube which has been showing it's nasty colors over the past few years from working Hyuna through her being severely ill and needing a break. To the CLC and Beast Situations, as well as selling off Apink to another label with no notice to make a quick buck (thankfully Apink has a great label and did not end up at some terrible company through the sale). I honestly do not understand the people blaming these women for the decisions of a sick group of old men who seem to drop the women in their company as soon as they stop "falling in line" with how they want to promote them.
I... I actually like (G)I-DLE, and I do not blame them for the CLC situation happening now.
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well its the company's fault
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it's only require 1 successful group to be big, isn't it? like BigHit
Which logically makes no sense because they did not have one big group in 2018 when this group debuted, they had 5! You would think having that many big groups they would want to make them all continue to be big so that they can feed off all their success. Business wise it makes no sense that they sabotaged everyone else when Latatata got big
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wait what happened with clc and idle? can someone fill me in?
Basically, Cube dropped all their other groups promotions when Idle succeeded so much. Even more than 4M did in their heyday. CLC's Elkie is leaving and listed a bunch of mistreatment from the label recently. Many fans blame Idle for this, I do not however as they did not make the decisions to mistreat their seniors, Cube did. Cube essentially has ruined whatever sense of a reputation they had left after the whole Hyuna mistreatment thing (and she literally built cube, so if she is not safe, who is). But I have seen a LOT of hate on their music videos for the CLC issue and I am just mildly annoyed because although I am a CLC stan, Idle does not deserve this.
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Basically, Cube dropped all their other groups promotions when Idle succeeded so much. Even more than 4M did in their heyday. CLC's Elkie is leaving and listed a bunch of mistreatment from the label recently. Many fans blame Idle for this, I do not however as they did not make the decisions to mistreat their seniors, Cube did. Cube essentially has ruined whatever sense of a reputation they had left after the whole Hyuna mistreatment thing (and she literally built cube, so if she is not safe, who is). But I have seen a LOT of hate on their music videos for the CLC issue and I am just mildly annoyed because although I am a CLC stan, Idle does not deserve this.
thank you!
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I wish you had read the amount of hate comments under Gidle clips when Elkie's news was out and saw the number of tweets on tweeter Cheshires attacking Gidle (there were even several threads talking about that problem in this forum). Noone imagines. It has happened since queendom till now but went worse during Elkie's news.
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We're not imagining anything though? It actually happened, not all of them but still some chesires attack them.
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:D I sure hope I have a brain as I graduated high school at 16 and have multiple certifications. I realize you meant common sense to not attack innocent people but I had to make a joke.
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I wish you had read the amount of hate comments under Gidle clips when Elkie's news was out and saw the number of tweets on tweeter Cheshires attacking Gidle (there were even several threads talking about that problem in this forum). Noone imagines. It has happened since queendom till now but went worse during Elkie's news.
Actually even in 2018 there were a bunch of them hating on them, even before debuting some of them were biased against them not giving them any chances and protesting against their debut. But it's true that it got worse in 2019 i guess
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I'm sure there was plenty of mistreatment but on the other hand and with all due respect to CLC it was a sinking ship...they just didn't catch the public's attention or attract enough fans to be profitable.
If I was cube and I had the choice between CLC and G-idle I would choose the later purely because they were/are more profitable.
At the end of the day from a business perspective I think Cube made the rigt decision to let CLC "die"
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I wish you had read the amount of hate comments under Gidle clips when Elkie's news was out and saw the number of tweets on tweeter Cheshires attacking Gidle (there were even several threads talking about that problem in this forum). Noone imagines. It has happened since queendom till now but went worse during Elkie's news.
Was it a hate towards members or company? I remember that there was hate towards company in that period which G-idle fans somehow successed to see as hate towards G-idle. Like people say "I hate Cube, why you dont promote others as G-idle!????", G-idle fans see it as attack on members which is ridiculous. Idk what happened in the last week or 2 through bc I didnt follow, but before it was just hate towards company which G-idle fans liked to present as hate towards members for some unknown reason.
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:D I sure hope I have a brain as I graduated high school at 16 and have multiple certifications. I realize you meant common sense to not attack innocent people but I had to make a joke.
That's what i meant yes lmao, congratulations by the way that's impressive.
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Actually even in 2018 there were a bunch of them hating on them, even before debuting some of them were biased against them not giving them any chances and protesting against their debut. But it's true that it got worse in 2019 i guess
I honestly only listened to CLC from Cube after 4M and the Hyuna issue for a while but I recently looked into Idle more the past year and I adore them, so I did not see the hate in person at their debut but seeing the comments now is disturbing as some of them are very violent and hostile.
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Was it a hate towards members or company? I remember that there was hate towards company in that period which G-idle fans somehow successed to see as hate towards G-idle. Like people say "I hate Cube, why you dont promote others as G-idle!????", G-idle fans see it as attack on members which is ridiculous. Idk what happened in the last week or 2 through bc I didnt follow, but before it was just hate towards company which G-idle fans liked to present as hate towards members for some unknown reason.
Both the company and the members, some do only blame the company though, but some others do blame (g)i-dle themselves,
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Was it a hate towards members or company? I remember that there was hate towards company in that period which G-idle fans somehow successed to see as hate towards G-idle. Like people say "I hate Cube, why you dont promote others as G-idle!????", G-idle fans see it as attack on members which is ridiculous. Idk what happened in the last week or 2 through bc I didnt follow, but before it was just hate towards company which G-idle fans liked to present as hate towards members for some unknown reason.
They literally wished Gidle disbanded, spread wrong information about Gidle, edited photos to defame Soyeon, came to Gidle's latest comeback teasers to wish them have a flop comeback...If those things are not hate, what is the definition of hate in your opinion? That highlight sentence has nothing to do with hating Gidle, you really think we consider that the hate? Before it, Cheshires and Nevies had fanwar everyweek on twitter. Every time Gidle have a comeback, some toxic fans always attack the girls.
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:D I sure hope I have a brain as I graduated high school at 16 and have multiple certifications. I realize you meant common sense to not attack innocent people but I had to make a joke.
im not from the US but im assuming thats really young so congrats thats impressive! are you now an astrophysicist at 23 or something? lul
anyway sadly im sure cube doesnt give two s*its about what the fans or the artists want.
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Was it a hate towards members or company? I remember that there was hate towards company in that period which G-idle fans somehow successed to see as hate towards G-idle. Like people say "I hate Cube, why you dont promote others as G-idle!????", G-idle fans see it as attack on members which is ridiculous. Idk what happened in the last week or 2 through bc I didnt follow, but before it was just hate towards company which G-idle fans liked to present as hate towards members for some unknown reason.
But that's common practice in anyway possible
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Basically, Cube dropped all their other groups promotions when Idle succeeded so much. Even more than 4M did in their heyday. CLC's Elkie is leaving and listed a bunch of mistreatment from the label recently. Many fans blame Idle for this, I do not however as they did not make the decisions to mistreat their seniors, Cube did. Cube essentially has ruined whatever sense of a reputation they had left after the whole Hyuna mistreatment thing (and she literally built cube, so if she is not safe, who is). But I have seen a LOT of hate on their music videos for the CLC issue and I am just mildly annoyed because although I am a CLC stan, Idle does not deserve this.
Sorry but this is not true? Cubde dropped only Clc's promotions. Pentagon and Btob had a looooot promotions. Even cube asked some famous youtubers to react Pentagon's song. Pentagon got 1 full album + mini album + ıf you add basquıat in one year. They went to variety shows too.
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I don't understand the mentality of blaming another group who is more successful than your fave for your fave's lack of success.
It's not (G)-IDLE's fault that CLC wasn't successful, it's Cube's fault for doing the bare minimum to promote the group and add the fact that Cube debuted CLC with Seunghee, Yujin, Seungyeon, Sorn and Yeeun in March 2015, then about year later in February 2016 announces a comeback with Elkie and Eunbin as new members of the group.
To be honest if you ask me by adding Elkie and Eunbin it showed the other girls that they weren't good enough as 5 and it was a bit of slap to the face to the girls.
Don't get me wrong I love Elkie and Eunbin.
CLC got my attention with their debut as it sounded fresh to me at the time and they do have amazing concepts I still jam out to Pepe, Black Dress, No, Hobgoblin and Helicopter.
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I don't understand the mentality of blaming another group who is more successful than your fave for your fave's lack of success.
It's not (G)-IDLE's fault that CLC wasn't successful, it's Cube's fault for doing the bare minimum to promote the group and add the fact that Cube debuted CLC with Seunghee, Yujin, Seungyeon, Sorn and Yeeun in March 2015, then about year later in February 2016 announces a comeback with Elkie and Eunbin as new members of the group.
To be honest if you ask me by adding Elkie and Eunbin it showed the other girls that they weren't good enough as 5 and it was a bit of slap to the face to the girls.
Don't get me wrong I love Elkie and Eunbin.
CLC got my attention with their debut as it sounded fresh to me at the time and they do have amazing concepts I still jam out to Pepe, Black Dress, No, Hobgoblin and Helicopter.
I believe that they added so that they can get more recognition to the group and bring more fans as Eunbin was kinda popular in produce 101 and Elkie was a child actress i think and is from hong kong
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Ah...I must've fogotten about Eunbin being in Produce 101, and I never knew Elkie was a child actress I knew she was from Hong Kong.
But you have to admit by adding them, CLC did get attention for awhile.
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But that's common practice in anyway possible
I know, but I still want to call out the bs if I see it.
I was there during "hate" threads. Someone post how they dont understand why CLC isnt successful, G-idle fans automatically come to complain about hate towards G-idle while noone even said anything about them. I saw a lot of those cases.
Idk about Twitter drama (dont follow it bc people there are the worst), so maybe there is hate. Here or on the other forums, even on yt (expect just few stupid comments), there isnt any hate.
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truly shitty situation but at the end of the day... what Cubicle(lmao) couldn't do is what the fans should have done = BUY CLC's music!!
either groups are not to be blamed
True, i mean even in 2017/2018 a lot of comments were saying things like "instead of just complaining about of underrated they are and that they deserve more, support them by buying their albums, streaming won't do much" but it didn't change much, a lot still complained without buying their music at some point it as if the people commenting "they're so underated/they deserve more" just wanted some likes
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truly shitty situation but at the end of the day... what Cubicle(lmao) couldn't do is what the fans should have done = BUY CLC's music!!
either groups are not to be blamed
Agreed. Fully.
Display MoreI don't understand the mentality of blaming another group who is more successful than your fave for your fave's lack of success.
It's not (G)-IDLE's fault that CLC wasn't successful, it's Cube's fault for doing the bare minimum to promote the group and add the fact that Cube debuted CLC with Seunghee, Yujin, Seungyeon, Sorn and Yeeun in March 2015, then about year later in February 2016 announces a comeback with Elkie and Eunbin as new members of the group.
To be honest if you ask me by adding Elkie and Eunbin it showed the other girls that they weren't good enough as 5 and it was a bit of slap to the face to the girls.
Don't get me wrong I love Elkie and Eunbin.
CLC got my attention with their debut as it sounded fresh to me at the time and they do have amazing concepts I still jam out to Pepe, Black Dress, No, Hobgoblin and Helicopter.
I do not understand the blaming of other groups either, even if I don't like the group being blamed, I am not going to toss them under the bus like that. It is not fair to the members who did nothing.
im not from the US but im assuming thats really young so congrats thats impressive! are you now an astrophysicist at 23 or something? lul
anyway sadly im sure cube doesnt give two s*its about what the fans or the artists want.
I am an IT technician in a Fortune 500 Company, I have been working for corporate offices since 19 years of age, I have worked with a few record labels in the past prior to that, I am also an OSHA certified home painter/wall patchier, I am certified in business administration as well as some other stuffs and am debating on going to school for app coding to add to my resume. I also did this all while being raised in foster homes, and dealing with a lot of trauma. So, if there is something you want to do and you feel you do not have the resources to do it, do not give up and work toward it. Nothing is impossible.
They literally wished Gidle disbanded, spread wrong information about Gidle, edited photos to defame Soyeon, came to Gidle's latest comeback teasers to wish them have a flop comeback...If those things are not hate, what is the definition of hate in your opinion? That highlight sentence has nothing to do with hating Gidle, you really think we consider that the hate? Before it, Cheshires and Nevies had fanwar everyweek on twitter. Every time Gidle have a comeback, some toxic fans always attack the girls.
Sigh.... I hate very few things but those type of behaviors..... I cannot stand the editing, death threats etc. I just want to enjoy the artist's music.
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True, i mean even in 2017/2018 a lot of comments were saying things like "instead of just complaining about of underrated they are and that they deserve more, support them by buying their albums, streaming won't do much" but it didn't change much, a lot still complained without buying their music at some point it as if the people commenting "they're so underated/they deserve more" just wanted some likes
Exactly!! i just love reading those comments under their MVs as oppose to actually commenting on the song or visuals which they always slay!
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Agreed. Fully.
I do not understand the blaming of other groups either, even if I don't like the group being blamed, I am not going to toss them under the bus like that. It is not fair to the members who did nothing.
I am an IT technician in a Fortune 500 Company, I have been working for corporate offices since 19 years of age, I have worked with a few record labels in the past prior to that, I am also an OSHA certified home painter/wall patchier, I am certified in business administration as well as some other stuffs and am debating on going to school for app coding to add to my resume. I also did this all while being raised in foster homes, and dealing with a lot of trauma. So, if there is something you want to do and you feel you do not have the resources to do it, do not give up and work toward it. Nothing is impossible.
Sigh.... I hate very few things but those type of behaviors..... I cannot stand the editing, death threats etc. I just want to enjoy the artist's music.
yep. the members in 2 groups have good relationship but the fandoms often have fanwars, which is so stupid.
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But conflict is good for exposure, right ?
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But conflict is good for exposure, right ?
It all depends, considering CLC and Idle have said they are all friends behind the scenes and do not want any issues. Cube and the fans allowing this to all take place between fandoms and being hostile toward each other probably causes issues in their personal lives much like people starting drama drains everyday people in their lives as well. They are human beings who actually have shown massive love to each other on a personal level in public, I cannot imagine how much they may be hurt seeing their fans go at each others throats verbally and even in rare occasions physically.
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But conflict is good for exposure, right ?
Good exposure for which group? If it's (g)i-dle, then no i don't think so, from what a saw some people/outsiders (gg stans mostly) in twitter avoid (g)i-dle like they were the devil and pity/feel bad for the other group,
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yep. the members in 2 groups have good relationship but the fandoms often have fanwars, which is so stupid.
The actual members have good relationships... soyeon wrote (Yeeun wrote the rap) and produced No title track then gifted them the royalties to the song. This out of respect of her seniors and no money in her pocket for that work and effort. Look at her actions and clc fandom (toxic) drag her for what. I suspect most are fake Cheshires or token stans using clc to drag soyeon and gidle.. cuz they disappear when its time to promo, stream, and buy.. very sad..
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You havent been to reddit have you?
No, I dont go to the places full of hatefull people and delusional fans.
If you will use those places as the examples of hate, idk what to say... People get hate there (Twitter, Reddit) for everything and anything. Lmao... Even mere users on AKP get hate, that is how insane people on Twiter are....
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