Spotify Facing House Judiciary Committee Probe Over “Discovery Mode” (aka official payola)

  • A new letter from Congress questions the intended duration of the app’s new feature, how it calculates its reduced “promotional” royalty rate, and more


    Last fall, Spotify launched a new tool for artists called “Discovery Mode.” The feature allows artists to opt into a “promotional royalty rate” for specific songs that is less than the standard rate. In exchange, the songs will be boosted and given higher visibility on some of listeners’ algorithmically generated playlists. Now, Congress has sent a letter to Spotify demanding specifications on the tool, as The Hollywood Reporter points out.


    The letter, sent by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler and Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet Chairman Rep. Hank Johnson Jr., is addressed to Spotify CEO Daniel Ek. It states concerns over Discovery Mode creating a “race to the bottom” in which artists and labels accept lower pay in order to “break through an extremely crowded and competitive music environment,” as Nadler and Johnson put it. You can find the full letter via THR.


    The letter points out that Spotify’s royalty payments to artists are already low—less than one cent per stream. “At a time when the global pandemic has devastated incomes for musicians and other performers, without a clear path back to pre-pandemic levels, any plan that could ultimately lead to further cut pay for working artists and ultimately potentially less consumer choice raises significant policy issues,” Nadler and Johnson write.


    Nadler and Johnson also list out a series of questions regarding Discovery Mode. They ask about the intended duration of the app’s new feature, how it calculates its reduced “promotional” royalty rate, what kind of safeguards will be in place to ensure the “race to the bottom” effect does not occur, and more. Spotify is expected to respond no later than June 16. Pitchfork has reached out to Spotify representatives for comment.



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    I hope they remove that feature. It only benefits major label plants and is detrimental to indie artists who will get even less visibility unless they are willing to give up even the tiny amounts of revenue they get from Spotify now. It also creates a false impression that artists using it are actually popular, when in reality they get added to users playlists for money.


    Abolish payola.

  • We have good instincts. And some of the influence of this Discovery Mode is very transparent.

    Definitely. Spotify is a good app. Like the fact that you can post your songs without having your label to go through with it and have an income.


    But it’s this fiasco behind the scenes which makes everything unfair in the end, with unknown acts having playlisting over very known acts with tons of followers

  • I really hope something can be done about this. I just feel bad for the smaller artists with no huge company backing. The industry was willing to lose millions from bundles so paying for this feature would be nothing to them.

  • Definitely. Spotify is a good app. Like the fact that you can post your songs without having your label to go through with it and have an income.


    But it’s this fiasco behind the scenes which makes everything unfair in the end, with unknown acts having playlisting over very known acts with tons of followers

    Funny how Butter never made an appearance on my Release Radar, while pushed westnern acts who I have never listened to and kpop acts I have blocked are all there :eyes: The kpop acts are the same ones known for excessive YT ads :eyes:

    Same for Discover Weekly :eyes:


    I had an illegal upload of BTS Soundcloud song there once and yet no actual BTS releases :eyes:

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  • Funny how Butter never made an appearance on my Release Radar, while pushed westnern acts who I have never listened to and kpop acts I have blocked are all there :eyes: The kpop acts are the same ones known for excessive YT ads :eyes:

    Same for Discover Weekly :eyes:


    I had an illegal upload of BTS Soundcloud song there once and yet no actual BTS releases :eyes:

    I noticed that too. BTS was never on My Release radar,

    and they are my Top Artist of all time on Spotify.

    And as for Discover Weekly, random kpp bgs pop up!


    Weird!!

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    IMO, I don't think anyone should be surprised. With the advent of streaming, music consumption changed from a pay for music model where people bought albums to a new paradigm that made music more freely available, both in terms of reach and cost, the latter to the detriment of the industry. Companies like Spotify that offer these streaming platforms have been trying to "monetize" streaming in any way they can for years and they've used a two pronged approach.


    Their approach? It includes getting people to pay for the privilege of having their stream count more on the charts while making music industry inroads where they become a staple that can't be ignored. Moves like that are as valuable for the paying customers they gain as it is for the foothold on industry influence it has left them with. Streaming has gradually been weighted more heavily on the charts.


    And here they're really using that influence. Here they've devised a model to keep even more money in their pockets while letting the industry decide how they want to influence what people "discover" and listen to. Win-win? Yea, for everyone, but the little guys, or those the industry would rather be overlooked. The industry has always operated using underhanded means. I'm glad that at least someone seems to want to try to keep a check on it.

  • IMO, I don't think anyone should be surprised. With the advent of streaming, music consumption changed from a pay for music model where people bought albums to a new paradigm that made music more freely available, both in terms of reach and cost, the latter to the detriment of the industry. Companies like Spotify that offer these streaming platforms have been trying to "monetize" streaming in any way they can for years and they've used a two pronged approach.


    Their approach? It includes getting people to pay for the privilege of having their stream count more on the charts while making music industry inroads where they become a staple that can't be ignored. Moves like that are as valuable for the paying customers they gain as it is for the foothold on industry influence it has left them with. Streaming has gradually been weighted more heavily on the charts.


    And here they're really using that influence. Here they've devised a model to keep even more money in their pockets while letting the industry decide how they want to influence what people "discover" and listen to. Win-win? Yea, for everyone, but the little guys, or those the industry would rather be overlooked. The industry has always operated using underhanded means. I'm glad that at least someone seems to want to try to keep a check on it.

    Its no surprise that the only industry players speaking up against it so far seem to be indie labels. Its a deal between Spotify and major labels where everyone else ends up collateral damage.


    It will truly make Spotify the new radio. Hopefully there will be some legislation against it like radio payola, but we know it will not work anyway. Even if straightforward payola like in this case is banned, then the more underhanded deals will remain.


    Spotify should at least treat these streams as YT does ad views, where they are not reported to charts and do not influence Spotify charts rankings.

  • Wow.

    I feel bad for ever having wondered, if people aren't just being paranoid...

    There was an article in Rolling Stone few months ago about this, by indie labels calling this out. Its not paranoia, its reality. Anyones faves will have to pay Spotify out of the already tiny streaming revenue to get any visibility. And if you dont pay, you get less ULs and more filtering.

  • IMO, I don't think anyone should be surprised. With the advent of streaming, music consumption changed from a pay for music model where people bought albums to a new paradigm that made music more freely available, both in terms of reach and cost, the latter to the detriment of the industry. Companies like Spotify that offer these streaming platforms have been trying to "monetize" streaming in any way they can for years and they've used a two pronged approach.


    Their approach? It includes getting people to pay for the privilege of having their stream count more on the charts while making music industry inroads where they become a staple that can't be ignored. Moves like that are as valuable for the paying customers they gain as it is for the foothold on industry influence it has left them with. Streaming has gradually been weighted more heavily on the charts.


    And here they're really using that influence. Here they've devised a model to keep even more money in their pockets while letting the industry decide how they want to influence what people "discover" and listen to. Win-win? Yea, for everyone, but the little guys, or those the industry would rather be overlooked. The industry has always operated using underhanded means. I'm glad that at least someone seems to want to try to keep a check on it.

    So in short they now pay for fake publicity

  • Someone linked a site on here to see the amount of playlisting an artist gets can someone link it again

    Algorithmic playlisting like the one talked about here is not included in playlist audience numbers.

  • Autoplay. Interesting. Its not even a concious choice by user to listen to specific playlist, its forcing songs on playlists. All these reports of certain artists being added to free users playlists and playing on autoplay...

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    Autoplay. Interesting. Its not even a concious choice by user to listen to specific playlist, its forcing songs on playlists. All these reports of certain artists being added to free users playlists and playing on autoplay...

    Mind you this article was from November, right around the BTS BE release. Who knows how far they've taken their experiment now and what other areas of Spotify it may have infiltrated.

  • It just changes everything, doesn't it? Spotify is openly rewarding artists that give them money illegally and outright punishing those who don't. Then people say that calling someone an induatry plant is hate...


    This is plain blackmailing, either pay spotify to give you exposure, top playlisting all around the world and outrageous deals or don't and be made sure that you are pushed to some obscure spotify corner with no chance of new people discovering you and then subtracting half of the streams, if you are already famous, because spotify doesn't want to pay you.


    I bet it's bigger than what is being reported. No wonder even spotify premium subscriber ARMYs were furious this time about all the ways BTS has been slighted and sabotaged by spotify.

    "Overspending on my pens, that are more in number... than your fans" - Suga.

  • This reminds me to the whole bundles fiasco, where the artist actually are the ones paying for the difference in price between the bundle (usually cheaper) and the album sale in the attempt of creating more sales to chart higher. Which is very sad.


    At the end of the day, only big labels can afford this type of antics and the artists, and of course the consumers, are the ones paying for this game of faking streams and sales...

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    I want to clarify that I have nothing against any of the artists lest anyone think that. I'm not even surprised by what the industry is doing. The thing I do have an issue with though is the misrepresentation of what is happening and the subsequent vilifications that come in order to push that misrepresented narrative.

  • Here's Spotify's own definition (thanks myaza)


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    This is from Spotify's conference paper from 2020. Its very interesting. They analyzed the impact of programmed streaming on the diversity of music users listen to. Some findings:

    • organic streaming tends to incease the diversity of music users listen to while programmed streaming decreases it
    • more diverse users ("generalists"), who listen to different music, tend to churn less and are more likely to upgrade to premium compared to less diverse users ("specialists") who mostly listen to similar music.
    • the existing recommendation systems work better for "specialists" while not that well for "generalists"
    • they recommend trying to find ways to improve recommendation systems (aka Spotify algortihmic playlists, autoplay etc) to make them more diverse


    And yet, instead of following these finding by their own data scientists, based on enourmous amount of data of 100 million Spotify users, Spotify decides to:

    • penalize these more loyal and more profitable organic ways of streaming and reward programmed streaming on their charts and in their filtering logic by prioritizing ULs from curated playlists and autoplay at the expense of streams from user playlists and manual search
    • implement a pay-to-play system to "diversify" recommendations instead properly fixing the recommendation system

    I guess the income from pay-to-play and the long term effect on solidifying their position as the top market payer who decides which music gets exposure and which doesnt outweighs the interests of their users and the profit from users.

    • Official Post

    This is from Spotify's conference paper from 2020. Its very interesting. They analyzed the impact of programmed streaming on the diversity of music users listen to. Some findings:

    • organic streaming tends to incease the diversity of music users listen to while programmed streaming decreases it
    • more diverse users ("generalists"), who listen to different music, tend to churn less and are more likely to upgrade to premium compared to less diverse users ("specialists") who mostly listen to similar music.
    • the existing recommendation systems work better for "specialists" while not that well for "generalists"
    • they recommend trying to find ways to improve recommendation systems (aka Spotify algortihmic playlists, autoplay etc) to make them more diverse


    And yet, instead of following these finding by their own data scientists, based on enourmous amount of data of 100 million Spotify users, Spotify decides to:

    • penalize these more loyal and more profitable organic ways of streaming and reward programmed streaming on their charts and in their filtering logic by prioritizing ULs from curated playlists and autoplay at the expense of streams from user playlists and manual search
    • implement a pay-to-play system to "diversify" recommendations instead properly fixing the recommendation system

    I guess the income from pay-to-play and the long term effect on solidifying their position as the top market payer who decides which music gets exposure and which doesnt outweighs the interests of their users and the profit from users.

    TL;DR: Money still trumps all.

    Greed is after all one of the seven sins.

  • Not surprised seeing this. Welcome to the music industry lol.


    Nothing much will change. Payola exist nearly everywhere in the music industry. Removing this feature from Spotify won’t change much.


    But on the other hand, removing this would also protect Artists who are falsely accused of payola and foul play for doing well.

  • Not surprised seeing this. Welcome to the music industry lol.


    Nothing much will change. Payola exist nearly everywhere in the music industry. Removing this feature from Spotify won’t change much.


    But on the other hand, removing this would also protect Artists who are falsely accused of payola and foul play for doing well.

    We havent really seen anyone be falsely accused though

  • Spotify should go back to its business in discovering new artists or at least sell participation to all the labels, so they all have a monopoly and not just one. Missed opportunities from apple music and Spotify may be gains for other platforms with suitable algorithms. YouTube is losing relevance because of Tik tok. A clear example is that one day I can search tik tok for how to make desserts and the next day I can search for kpop music and the algorithms change according to my tastes without the need to impose advertising from others.

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