... but when they release an english song then suddenly it's a huge problem, they are pandering to americans, they are selling out and losing their korean roots? 
Why a lot of kpop fans don't have any problem with groups releasing japanese singles or albums targeting the japanese market...
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Hypocrisy.
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SAY IT LOUDER
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Racist
Superior Complex
Fetishization
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I got into kpop in 2019 and it was continually used as a drag to groups even then. Singing in Japanese is just how the market works, but singing in English or Chinese is pandering to fans and trying to get money at all costs.
I mean even at the beginning of last year people were dragging Monsta X for releasing an English album.
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Only reason singing is Japanese is seen as okay is because 1. Its been a thing for years now so people have accepted it and 2. its an East Asian country so its not seen as this big change.
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Maybe they feel Japan is still Asian so, the vibe is just the same. I don't even know what the problem is. Even if it is an English song, it still counts as a Korean if the singer is a Korean artist.
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Maybe they don't see it as 'pandering to the west'.
It's dumb anyway, only in kpop are artists given shit because they sing in english
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The thing is English songs by korean artists is a thing since 90's. So Idk when and why it became a problem. I guess it's selective outrage because I think Baek Yerin also released English album but I don't think she recieved any negative feedback for it.
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this just needs some time to blow over. im sure that when kpop artists first started to venture into japan, people weren't too happy about it either.
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Maybe they feel Japan is still Asian so, the vibe is just the same. I don't even know what the problem is. Even if it is an English song, it still counts as a Korean if the singer is a Korean artist.
and that’s actually racist. There’s no difference between a western or a Japanese or Korean. But what can we expect from the “woke” crowd
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I mean my favs have been doing English vers for years even in 2nd gen (as someone said it goes even way back). Only some people had the idea that promoting in western countries and especially singing in English is catering to the west. Not my favs’ fandom since they've been doing it for ages and got some mocking for it.
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Japan’s a cousin.
China is big brother.
The West is … something else.
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They hate just for the sake of hating. BoA, SNSD and Wonder girls used to release English tracks to 'pander' to the West but no one cared because they failed. Now it's suddenly a problem because BTS became too successful with it lol.
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It’s pandering to the west suddenly as if there aren’t south East Asian and south Asian countries that have high English speaking population
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People just need to get used to it because it's new, and when it becomes a norm the stigma will decrease
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Three reasons.
First, many of us are Americans not Japanese. Maybe if you visit a Japanese forum, you might find some folks who dont like when Kpop bands do Japanese songs, whether it's BTS or any other band.
Secondly, Japan and Korea are a lot closer culturally than Korea and the US. However frigid their political relations, the two countries are deeply intertwined.
Thirdly, the problem with Dynamite for me as a KA is that the boys pronunciation was so bad i literally couldnt understand the lyrics at times. I had to use subtitles. If youre going to sing an ALL ENGLISH SONG, it would be best if the English speaking audience could understand it. Contrast this with Ice Cream, i understood every word, or even Twice's English versions, most members have obvious accents but i can clearly make out every word.
I think how Kpop songs are mostly a mix of English and Korean is actually perfect. This is how many Koreans talk, mixing English and other foreign words with Korean, i literally grew up listening to my parents speak like that to me. This is part of Kpop's charm and addictiveness for me.
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Only reason singing is Japanese is seen as okay is because 1. Its been a thing for years now so people have accepted it and 2. its an East Asian country so its not seen as this big change.
English is major/second language in most East Asian countries too., especially SEA.
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English is major/second language in most East Asian countries too., especially SEA.
and SA esp in INDIA which is why there is a sudden influx of armys from there ( there is obv increase in youtube streams/spotify streams as well)
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Thirdly, the problem with Dynamite for me as a KA is that the boys pronunciation was so bad i literally couldnt understand the lyrics at times. I had to use subtitles. If youre going to sing an ALL ENGLISH SONG, it would be best if the English speaking audience could understand it. Contrast this with Ice Cream, i understood every word, or even Twice's English versions, most members have obvious accents but i can clearly make out every word.
I think how Kpop songs are mostly a mix of English and Korean is actually perfect. This is how many Koreans talk, mixing English and other foreign words with Korean, i literally grew up listening to my parents speak like that to me. This is part of Kpop's charm and addictiveness for me.
So ironic. You say they should sound more clearer - I thought they sound good enough - while when I look into the charts it is full with mumble rap and ariana grande - as we know the kings and queens of clean pronunciation
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I guess it's the same reason people bash other kpop artists for releasing English songs until their own faves do it too, and then suddenly it becomes alright lol.
Personally I have always preferred kpop in Korean. Or in Chinese in WayV's case since most the members are Chinese. I don't know why but it just feels more natural and authentic to me. I rarely like Japanese songs by kpop groups, same for English ones.
I mean even at the beginning of last year people were dragging Monsta X for releasing an English album.
Which is sad because All About Luv was such a lovely album
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Edit : it's funny seeing some Armys here trying to make it sound like this started with and because of BTS. I mean, some of us can still remember when other kpop groups like Monsta X, NCT and SuperM got dragged for releasing English songs, dragged mainly by Armys. Maybe ask your fellow fans who dragged those groups why they did it and you'll get your answers.
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English is major/second language in most East Asian countries too., especially SEA.
I answered this question in with regards to ifans bashing groups for having English songs while being okay with Japanese songs. So yes, I know English is a major language in those countries but to ifans Korean to Japanese is a less of a change compared to Korean to English.
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When it becomes successful, it does not count lol
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... but when they release an english song then suddenly it's a huge problem, they are pandering to americans, they are selling out and losing their korean roots?
It's because the relationship between J Pop and K Pop labels are/ is established and Korean artists don't have to go too far out the norm as compared to trying to expand out West.
Although, to be fair, the Japanese market is a whole other monster and even though their are some similarities as far as how record labels are ran via the West, you are most likely Less likely to sell your soul in Japan than you are in North America.
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Three reasons.
First, many of us are Americans not Japanese. Maybe if you visit a Japanese forum, you might find some folks who dont like when Kpop bands do Japanese songs, whether it's BTS or any other band.
Secondly, Japan and Korea are a lot closer culturally than Korea and the US. However frigid their political relations, the two countries are deeply intertwined.
Thirdly, the problem with Dynamite for me as a KA is that the boys pronunciation was so bad i literally couldnt understand the lyrics at times. I had to use subtitles. If youre going to sing an ALL ENGLISH SONG, it would be best if the English speaking audience could understand it. Contrast this with Ice Cream, i understood every word, or even Twice's English versions, most members have obvious accents but i can clearly make out every word.
I think how Kpop songs are mostly a mix of English and Korean is actually perfect. This is how many Koreans talk, mixing English and other foreign words with Korean, i literally grew up listening to my parents speak like that to me. This is part of Kpop's charm and addictiveness for me.
All riiiight🥱... Dynamite still a hit though despite your difficulties with it.
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Because they don't consider their kpop idols "others" in Japan.
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I personally like it when K-pop acts release English songs since I can actually understand what they're saying
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I don’t necessarily believe this is a fair comparison. Cultural exchange between East Asian countries goes much deeper than kpop.
It’s more so because the west and by that people are broadly referring to the in power white dominant culture who are seen as culture vultures. Appealing to them seems like a step back.
You can argue for and against this but let’s not pretend the two are the same. People’s concerns are different whether you agree with it or not.
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well there was this one fandom who was dragging other groups for singing in english. 2 wrongs wont make a right but u reap what u sow
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It’s more so because the west and by that people are broadly referring to the in power white dominant culture who are seen as culture vultures. Appealing to them seems like a step back.
Racist much?
Maybe you should actually go see who charts the most in the US. It ain't your "white dominant culture" it's all over the place. Based on the ethnicity of the US/UK population the music industry is more an African-American dominate industry.
Also some people in Japan don't like Koreans influence in Japan. They changed the Oricon rules specifically to counter Korean bulk buying and chart manipulation methods of previous years. Korea also does not allow Japanese music releases on Melon and other platforms. So it's not all love and roses between Asian states either. That though isn't so much based on "race" as nationality or Nationalism.
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Racist much?
Maybe you should actually go see who charts the most in the US. It ain't your "white dominant culture" it's all over the place. Based on the ethnicity of the US/UK population the music industry is more an African-American dominate industry.
Also some people in Japan don't like Koreans influence in Japan. They changed the Oricon rules specifically to counter Korean bulk buying and chart manipulation methods of previous years. Korea also does not allow Japanese music releases on Melon and other platforms. So it's not all love and roses between Asian states either. That though isn't so much based on "race" as nationality or Nationalism.
I didn’t ask whether you agreed or not nor did I state what I thought. The OP asked why people react different and I answered with a possible rationale.
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I mean it’s a lose lose situation. For some reason people just hate groups who promote in the west. But i do find it very ironic that ARMY are in here acting like they are victims of people
hating BTS for singing in english, WHEN, they were literally the main ones attacking 127 for promoting in the west in 2019.
But victims gotta victim i guess and they can’t pass up this opportunity.
My only objection is if groups sing in english, their talent/performance shouldn’t change and i think that was the big problem with Dynamite. Ppl didn’t think it sounded like BTS and rapline didn’t rap.
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... but when they release an english song then suddenly it's a huge problem, they are pandering to americans, they are selling out and losing their korean roots?
I don't think it's the same
English singles will be performed everywhere, in Japan, Korea, Europe, US, anywhere they have fans
They're given as much importance as a Korean comeback
More actually, given the schedule of teasers
Japanese songs are only ever performed for Japan shows
In the case of BTS, they had said before that if they sang in English it wouldn't be them.
They've addressed that more recently and said they changed their mind, but not a lot of people are aware.
I do not think they have lost their roots though because their album will still be in Korean
Groups are releasing half English albums or full English albums but they don't get called out on it because people didn't expect anything different
The perception of BTS is that they have something to"sell out" in the first place, which is a compliment in a way.
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Three reasons.
First, many of us are Americans not Japanese. Maybe if you visit a Japanese forum, you might find some folks who dont like when Kpop bands do Japanese songs, whether it's BTS or any other band.
Secondly, Japan and Korea are a lot closer culturally than Korea and the US. However frigid their political relations, the two countries are deeply intertwined.
Thirdly, the problem with Dynamite for me as a KA is that the boys pronunciation was so bad i literally couldnt understand the lyrics at times. I had to use subtitles. If youre going to sing an ALL ENGLISH SONG, it would be best if the English speaking audience could understand it. Contrast this with Ice Cream, i understood every word, or even Twice's English versions, most members have obvious accents but i can clearly make out every word.
I think how Kpop songs are mostly a mix of English and Korean is actually perfect. This is how many Koreans talk, mixing English and other foreign words with Korean, i literally grew up listening to my parents speak like that to me. This is part of Kpop's charm and addictiveness for me.
must be so hard to live a life full of internalized racism . I only feel pity.
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Three reasons.
First, many of us are Americans not Japanese. Maybe if you visit a Japanese forum, you might find some folks who dont like when Kpop bands do Japanese songs, whether it's BTS or any other band.
Secondly, Japan and Korea are a lot closer culturally than Korea and the US. However frigid their political relations, the two countries are deeply intertwined.
Thirdly, the problem with Dynamite for me as a KA is that the boys pronunciation was so bad i literally couldnt understand the lyrics at times. I had to use subtitles. If youre going to sing an ALL ENGLISH SONG, it would be best if the English speaking audience could understand it. Contrast this with Ice Cream, i understood every word, or even Twice's English versions, most members have obvious accents but i can clearly make out every word.
I think how Kpop songs are mostly a mix of English and Korean is actually perfect. This is how many Koreans talk, mixing English and other foreign words with Korean, i literally grew up listening to my parents speak like that to me. This is part of Kpop's charm and addictiveness for me.
Maybe you just have a kinda bad hearing i mean... english is not my first language (my first language is portuguese) but i could understand everything they were saying since the first time i listened to dynamite without reading subtitles.
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Maybe you just have a kinda bad hearing i mean... english is not my first language (my first language is portuguese) but i could understand everything they were saying since the first time i listened to dynamite without reading subtitles.
I have heard of blind hate, but is seems it also makes one hard of hearing.
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