Brave Girls won't be eligible for any Grand Prizes - I now appreciate the System of NOT awarding Grand Prizes to acts from smaller companies

  • In 2014, "Some" by Soyou and a guy whose name everyone forgot, was kind of the top hit of Korea. It would have been remembered further with the Ferry Incident. (More on that another day - in early 2014 KPop was turning toward hip-hop quite fast but the ferry incident stopped it),


    but in a Melon Award show, it is said that the Sistar members congratulated Taeyang of Big Bang even before the winner of the Song of the Year was announced, and one of the members (probably Hyorin) is said to have expressed that Sistar will never win a Grand Prize.


    That is because Starship is not considered to be a major company by the industry.


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    Brave Girls won't win any Grand Prizes this year, because of a simple reason - Rollin was released in 2017, and every award in KPop excludes songs released before , say, Dec 2020 for this year. They might get some 'special awards' but are not eligible for the Grand Prizes.


    Plus, Brave Company is not considered to be a major company, so they are disqualified on two accounts.


    Let's be honest. Will the fans of the world (this year it is likely that the shows will be held outside of Korea) want to see Brave Girls winning a Grand Prize? I kinda doubt it.


    That is why IU was shunned in every single grand prize held outside of Korea (her prizes from Melon are not counted since it is her own company, and it is held in Korea anyways) since no foreigner wanted to see IU winning a Grand Prize. All of her Prizes were won in Korea. It didn't help that she didn't come from a major company. She was disqualified every time because her contribution to KPop was nonexistent, a topic I wrote about almost every week.


    The wisdom of the Grand Prizes being awarded to only acts from major companies is now clear ; it excludes flukes and fads, and only selects the acts the i-fans want to see them winning. It is a screening process which has proven to work.


    I predict Brave Girls to be forgotten like the guy who sang 'Some' in a couple of years.

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  • This is very sad and toxic, smaller companies should be able to win the same awards as major companies. Japanese music has no insane restrictions like this and many smaller artists thrive because of it. Korea needs to fix this.

    We already saw the examples of EXID and GFriend, whose attempts to expand out of Korea went nowhere because they lacked the capital and expertise to do so.


    Smaller companies are undercapitalized, and lack the experience and rigor to expand to the overseas. Which is why they are largely irrelevant as far as KPop is concerned. They might be popular in Korea itself but won't stir the i-fas

  • but in a Melon Award show, it is said that the Sistar members congratulated Taeyang of Big Bang even before the winner of the Song of the Year was announced, and one of the members (probably Hyorin) is said to have expressed that Sistar will never win a Grand Prize.


    That is because Starship is not considered to be a major company by the industry.

    :cryingk::cryingk::cryingk::cryingk::cryingk:


    Honestly though "Some" should have won it was literally the biggest hit that year

  • I think they could win a couple of prizes if their upcoming comeback does well


    It's not like MAMA gave OMG or Momoland any significant awards either, but I understand why. They have to prove that they're here to stay and aren't one/two-hit wonders. A weird way of thinking imo, but whatever.

    Yes, it is a strange system, but it works. Giving Momoland a Grand Prize would have been awkward now.


    It is said that the primary reason to stiff IU her Grand Prize from Golden Disk back in 2011 was that she was a teen idol singer who was not likely to last for a long time. It already made a mistake with Jewelry in 2008 for One More Time, which would prove to be Jewelry's final hit. So it stiffed IU back then, and only when she entered her 11th year they gave a Grand Prize.

  • Is it why there was a huge upset when BTS won grand prize the first time in 2016?They weren’t from a big company too

    Yes, it was a HUGE upset back then. And there was a loophole - On 2010 2AM won a Grand Prize from Golden Disk and back then it was part of Big Hit because at that time JYP had sent his artists to Cube and Big Hit to be managed. So Big Hit already had a Grand Prize winner.

  • the song is from 2017, it makes perfect sense as to why it cant be nominated since it would be unfair to other artists who did released their songs in the according time lapse.


    all award shows work like that. idk why people are getting upset about this.

  • The “Some” guy is called JunggiGo. And he is an R&B artist not a kpop singer so he is less known. 🤷‍♀️ Just though I say it cuz he is not forgotten (his latest comeback was two month ago) he is just not famous internationally. Based on how the song is older I do think you are right about the grand price. I’m looking forward to Brave Brother writing a new song for them. If that blows up as much as Rolling too they will have a chance next year.


    Here is some JunggiGo for those who don’t know him. Tasty music. 👌

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  • the song is from 2017, it makes perfect sense as to why it cant be nominated since it would be unfair to other artists who did released their songs in the according time lapse.


    all award shows work like that. idk why people are getting upset about this.

    We can still be mad at an unfair system. We get why they can’t win awards for Rollin since it wasn’t released this year, but even if it was released this year, they still wouldn’t have gotten an award since award shows don’t wanna give awards to groups from small companies. It’s just unfair

  • We can still be mad at an unfair system. We get why they can’t win awards for Rollin since it wasn’t released this year, but even if it was released this year, they still wouldn’t have gotten an award since award shows don’t wanna give awards to groups from small companies. It’s just unfair


    that’s another deal, but the principle here is that sadly there’s a valid and legit reason as to why it cant be nominated.


    as for that, bts got their first daesang in 16’ while they were still nugus. it is possible.


    that being said, the girls deserve all the recognition they can get. so, there’s that.

  • as for that, bts got their first daesang in 16’ while they were still nugus. it is possible.

    nugu? *Laughing in allkill for BST, Outselling YG and JYP in 2015 to present, Billboard 200 at 26, the highest by a Korean Act ever before BTS broke their own record, best selling album in 2016 on Gaon* If BTS was nugu in 2015, let alone 2016 then 95% of Popular Kpop Groups today are still nugus af

  • nugu? *Laughing in allkill for BST, Outselling YG and JYP in 2015 to present, Billboard 200 at 26, the highest by a Korean Act ever before BTS broke their own record, best selling album in 2016 on Gaon* If BTS was nugu in 2015, let alone 2016 then 95% of Popular Kpop Groups today are still nugus af


    no need for the smart talk, hon. im perfectly up to date with their achievements. since ive been an army for almost 5 years.


    but they were in fact nugus back then. their company was small, their success got discredited and downplayed by everyone their mothers AND the media, and their daesangs were belittled it. the reactions to them winning, and the fact that they were the first non b3 artist to get one were overwhelmingly BAD.


    hell. they were PETITIONS online asking the shows to take their daesangs away.


    why do you think that was? but sure, whatever you say.

  • I don't know if I would agree with you. The truth is biggest songs almost always come from the biggest artists, and the biggest artists almost always come from the biggest companies.


    If you talk about Grand Prizes, they are usually separated between 2/3 categories : Albums, Songs and sometimes Artist.


    Albums and Artists are almost only a sales competition so it's only the biggest groups who win it : Since 2013, BTS, Exo, Big Bang and Twice almost won every single awards, except Melon who gave some to IU and Busker Busker.


    So the only Grand Prize that smaller artists can win is SOTY :


    Now lets break down every songs that were considered among the favorites to win each year according to Gaon charts :


    2020 : Blueming/Dynamite/Eight/Any Song. Winners : MAMA/MMA : Dynamite, GDA : Blueming.


    Understandable, Dynamite was by far the biggest song released in 2020, though it was an english release its still korean singers. Blueming had the overall stream and download numbers as the song had the most time. If Blueming had a little less time, Zico might have won GDA with Any Song.


    2019 : Boy With Luv/HCILTHYTOIL/ITWPIL/maybe So Long, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : BWL


    Understandable too, Akmu, Paul Kim and Lim Jae Hyun are way less popular than BTS and didn't dominate the charts as much as songs from previous years. Truly a year with no favorite, if the awards were not limited to Korean songs/artists, 2002 would have certainly sweep all awards.


    2018 : Love Scenario/DDDD/Good Old Days : Winners : MAMA : What is Love ????, MMA/GDA : Love Scenario


    Twice winning SOTY for the 3rd time came out of nowhere, though LS still swept the rest. LS was an obvious winner


    2017 : TTN/You,Clouds,Rain/KKB : Winners : MAMA : Signal?, MMA : Spring Day?, GDA : TTN


    Really strange year, it really looked like IU gonna sweep this year easily but ended up winning only one time, Signal was by far the strangest nomination/winner in maybe the history of awards as it wasn't even considered a contender. Spring Day wasn't that big in 2017 and had worse number than numerous songs like You, Clouds, Rain, Kokobop, Red Flavor, Some etc...


    2016 : Cheer Up easily, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : Cheer Up


    Cheer Up was easily favorite, and swept rightfully


    2015 : Loser/BBB/Leon : Winner : MAMA/MMA : BBB, GDA : Loser


    Big Bang dominated with numerous number ones songs, Loser was probably their biggest hit on charts and BBB was their most viral hit. They swept easily.


    2014 : Some/ENL, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : ENL


    Truly a 2 songs race at the end of the year, Eyes,Nose,Lips sweeping was definitely surprising and Soyou probably should have won at least one award.


    2013 : Gentleman, Winners : MAMA : Bounce?, MMA : Growl?, GDA : Gentleman


    Gentleman was the biggest song in korea that year, and if another artist would have one it should have been Sistar or Sistar19. Exo winning was a big surprise, and Cho Yong Pil was more of an homage for his incredible career.



    To conclude, if you don't count BTS, IU, and Psy, its always a big 3 artist who should have won (2015/16/18). Only in 2014 we have a robbery to someone non big 3 not called IU or Psy with Soyou.


    Before 2013, awards were going to anyone and most awards made no sence (except GDA maybe).


    I do not think its that good to give awards to only biggest artist as most awards are watched nowadays by Kpop fans who are already invested in the industry. It won't really bring new viewers/fans and I think being fair is the most important thing as it defines your legacy as an artist. The only thing it does is pleasing some kpop fans who absolutely want their group to win.

  • there have been a few artists from non big3 who have won daesangs before, but yeah it is not that common..


    most daesangs are given out to groups with big fandoms cause award shows want that rating and buzz, also big fandoms when angered cause messes.


    rollin wont win this year, but they are the true winners this year, the dethroned IU two time towards #1 and did that with no fandom support but an actual viral hit which is making waves.

    everyone and their grandmas will know they owned this year (unless a bigger viral hit comes, we never know)

  • lets be real


    Most of the time the grand prize are won deservedly but of course there were two obvious instances like What is Love (over Love Scenario) and Signal over IU. These two songs were charting way worse than the competitor but still won.


    Other SOTY kinda make sense as they are equally big as the competitors so it is not like they boycott artists from smaller companies. And Starship is not nugu company either.


    If Brave Girls able to chart super well with their comeback song, they might win some awards (not SOTY cause release too late). Maybe they have chance to win Best Female Group

  • We can still be mad at an unfair system. We get why they can’t win awards for Rollin since it wasn’t released this year, but even if it was released this year, they still wouldn’t have gotten an award since award shows don’t wanna give awards to groups from small companies. It’s just unfair

    Actually it gives the major company an incentive to outdo each other and discourage smaller companies from disrupting the flow of KPop (example: Gfriend).

  • Tbh even if the artist is a fad or the company is small, the best performing artist with impact deserves the award.

    The problem is convincing the i-fans who have to cheer for an act they don't know and don't really care.


    Which is also the reason IU was never given a Grand Prize outside of an award held in Korea.

  • In 2011, GDA actually changed the criteria to exclude IU.


    And in 2014, the Meaning of You (a 1985 song but re-released by IU and the original singer Kim Changwan) would have won but was excluded for the same reason Lee Jieun was excluded in 2011.


    The reason IU was finally given an award in 2018 was because there was a big fanwar planned on the next day when EXO and BTS would fight for the albums award,and giving a very long overdue Grand Prize to IU was a way to quiet the fanwar.


    And the 'some kpop fans who want their group to win' are precisely the ones who spend the most money on it

  • I do think they would still spend money even if they don't win as much, as they are still favorites most of the time

  • Epik High and Jewelry won in the earlier days of KPop


    From then,


    the only singers from non-Big3 who won a Real Grand Prize (I do not count Melon) are


    2AM (then under Big Hit)

    Cho Yongpil

    BTS

    IU


    fin.


    They didn't give a grand prize to Lim Youngwoong last year even though arguably he was the most popular singer in Korea. (He was given a trot award in a few places instead)

  • Being belittled by K-media and Big companies doesn't make a group a nugu. That's just big companies showing their power. "Nugu" literally means "who?" They achieved monumental success that year. Nugus don't outsell the big 3 and BTS did twice. Nugus don't sell 2 million albums in a year. Nugus don't chart their songs for years. People who were petitioning were the fans of other groups who are used to winning. Small Company? Yeah sure but wasn't BTS always bigger than their company. BTS was beating everyone internationally with them starting to lift off with US fame. If you're up to date, then you wouldn't even claim Nugu for 2016 BTS. I stand by what I said, if 2016 BTS is nugu then 95% of today's popular kpop groups are nugus

  • Being belittled by K-media and Big companies doesn't make a group a nugu. That's just big companies showing their power. "Nugu" literally means "who?" They achieved monumental success that year. Nugus don't outsell the big 3 and BTS did twice. Nugus don't sell 2 million albums in a year. Nugus don't chart their songs for years. People who were petitioning were the fans of other groups who are used to winning. Small Company? Yeah sure but wasn't BTS always bigger than their company. BTS was beating everyone internationally with them starting to lift off with US fame. If you're up to date, then you wouldn't even claim Nugu for 2016 BTS. I stand by what I said, if 2016 BTS is nugu then 95% of today's popular kpop groups are nugus


    “if youre up to date” down with the condescending tone honey.


    that’s all im gonna say. think whatever the hell you want, couldnt care less.

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    but in a Melon Award show, it is said that the Sistar members congratulated Taeyang of Big Bang even before the winner of the Song of the Year was announced, and one of the members (probably Hyorin) is said to have expressed that Sistar will never win a Grand Prize.

    That is because Starship is not considered to be a major company by the industry.

    this is so sad, honestly.

  • Psy was a Big 3 artist when Gentleman was released, which begs the question: if he was to have just as big a hit now, would he win anything as a P Nation artist?

  • “if youre up to date” down with the condescending tone honey.


    that’s all im gonna say. think whatever the hell you want, couldnt care less.

    I don't get what you're trying to achieve, belittling 2016 BTS' success like this. You're practically claiming they don't deserve the daesangs they won that year when they were one of the biggest artists since then. No artist will win Artist of the Year from a stat(mostly) based award show if they were nugu.

  • nugu? *Laughing in allkill for BST, Outselling YG and JYP in 2015 to present, Billboard 200 at 26, the highest by a Korean Act ever before BTS broke their own record, best selling album in 2016 on Gaon* If BTS was nugu in 2015, let alone 2016 then 95% of Popular Kpop Groups today are still nugus af

    Calling BTS nugu in 2016 is like/worse than


    • Calling Sistar nugu in 2012
    • Calling Girls Day nugu in 2014
    • Calling AOA nugu in 2014
    • Calling Mamamoo nugu in 2018
    • Calling Oh My Girl nugu in 2020

    :cryingr::cryingr::cryingr:

  • this is so sad, honestly.

    Stream Gaon's No. 1 Single of 2014


    :groovins::groovins:

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  • Psy was a Big 3 artist when Gentleman was released, which begs the question: if he was to have just as big a hit now, would he win anything as a P Nation artist?

    Since he has won before , yes, he would be eligible, but it appears he is more active managing the artists under his fold now.

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