What exactly is the point or goal of mentioning big 3 (and HYBE now) privilege ?

I doesn't really matter if you just enjoy the music and MVs for what they are

But the charts and numbers matter to many others and that's where the privilege comes in

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big 3 have "flop and nugu" groups

this is so wrong

which big 3 group has actually flopped? I mean kpop fans always throw the word "flop" randomly out of nowhere. But let's be honest, have big 3 groups ever failed so hard that they had to disband before having a comeback after debut?

I don't think the privilege is the way many think it is

#1 Sure the Big 3 have more resources and a lot more fans who will listen to new groups just because they are from that company (which this plays into popularity a lot, not dragging any groups tho cuz you have to be insanely talented to debut in any case)

#2 The Big 3 have a lot more money to play with to do more with songs, MVs and performaces

#3 They also have more money if they wanted to manipulate the charts, although most don't need to because of #1

#4 Some fans act like people succeed simply because they are part of the Big 3 but in reality, if a group was complete trash, it wouldn't matter what company they came from because they would fail anyway

So all groups, including those from the Big 3 have some sort of talent

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this is so wrong

which big 3 group has actually flopped? I mean kpop fans always throw the word "flop" randomly out of nowhere. But let's be honest, have big 3 groups ever failed so hard that they had to disband before having a comeback after debut?

Just from SM: Milk, Sugar, Blackbeat, the grace, fly to the sky, Shinvi, Isak n jiyeon, traxx

And older groups such as the blue, tin tin five, major and j&j

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Just from SM: Milk, Sugar, Blackbeat, the grace, fly to the sky, Shinvi, Isak n jiyeon, traxx

And older groups such as the blue, tin tin five, major and j&j

when they hit lottery with one group and it became super successful following groups are all somewhat successful

bringing old groups are irrelevant cause at that time big 3 wasn't big like today's

The goal can be simply to put things into context while discussing achievements and popularity of Kpop groups. The hype built for a big company's group debut can't really be compared to the hype for a group from a nugu company for instance.

I think company have deserved the privilege, especially if their producers stay the same. If same producer have released hit songs before, they may do it in future as well.

Privilege is to get lot attention and hype during debut, while in small company nobody even bother checking your music. For Dreamcatcher, it took years get to the point they are now.

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I'm not calling them flops just saying they're not as successful? Most of these groups are 1st and 2nd gen tho

I mean the big 3 privilege started having real effects since 3rd gen. Back in 1st & 2nd gen, even groups from medium level kpop companies were able to become top acts. That's not the case anymore!

well i always see people mention big3 privilege when someone else is saying that aespa will be /is already a top 4th gen group - how can you say that? they've just debuted and released one song., right? we all know they're gonna be one of the most successful groups because they're from sm, that's it

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this is so wrong

which big 3 group has actually flopped? I mean kpop fans always throw the word "flop" randomly out of nowhere. But let's be honest, have big 3 groups ever failed so hard that they had to disband before having a comeback after debut?

Well GLAM failed pretty bad if you include HYBE in the Big 3

For SM I'd say The Grace never did well, nor their sub unit

YG has always done fairly well,

JYP - The Wonder Girls weren't a flop but they definitely weren't super popular, and 2PM and 2AM weren't that popular either

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well i always see people mention big3 privilege when someone else is saying that aespa will be /is already a top 4th gen group - how can you say that? they've just debuted and released one song., right? we all know they're gonna be one of the most successful groups because they're from sm, that's it

exactly.. many groups debuted last year with an album or they have already have had a comeback.. does everyone talk about those groups who are from smaller companies? they don't.. heck even people are anticipating new gg debuts from yg and hybe when people don't even know the group name or the members. these upcoming debuts are making more noise in the kpop fandoms rather than already debuted groups from smaller companies..

honestly when i was living in my kpop bubble, i’d get mad at big3 groups because they didn’t have to struggle the way other groups did just to get a fickle of fame... but i was ignorant back then and didn’t know better.

the other day, i finally watched the blackpink documentary on youtube and honestly the way they trained for 4-6 years, repeating the same cycle over and over again and being so uncertain of their position in the official lineup... it’s so scary to be a teenager and not knowing whether anything good will come out of the sacrifices you’re making. heck, i still struggle with going to the grocery store without my mom and i just turned twenty... the bigger the company is, the more trainees they have. so the groups who debuted from the big3, have idols who fought tooth and nail with hundreds of other trainees to debut. so this privilege talk bothers me now because they slaved away most of their youth and their hard work paid off. so what if they have some kind of recognition before hand? think of it as this: the kids who get into ivy leagues work hard to get accepted. when they graduate, it’s easier for them to make it big in their career because of their degree. that doesn’t mean they aren’t deserving of their position.

so stop with this privilege bullshit.

This topic will never have a single conclusion. For and Against- both are right.

But I will not be a jerk to feel bad that a BIG3 group is getting priveleges and call them out. Their company have money and also have the right to spend it on them. It's not like they didn't work their ass of to debut.

Also I will not be a hypocrite to laugh at a group's talent who is from a nugu company and compare them.

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The Wonder Girls weren't a flop but they definitely weren't super popular, and 2PM and 2AM weren't that popular either

Wonder girls were the biggest gg in 2nd gen before snsd. They were super popular. 3 of their biggest hits spent more than 15+ weeks on melon top10. Songs by them r still covered by young girl groups.

2pm also had big hits in Korea and also popular members. 2am also had big hits. All were popular.

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Well GLAM failed pretty bad if you include HYBE in the Big 3

you're just missing the whole point.. bighit was about go bankrupt but bts being successful made hybe what they are.. bts debuted from a small company, same for glam

Can someone from the Big3 give a bit of privilege to Purple Kiss?

Big 3 + Hybe groups have a lot of initial exposure. Other groups will never reach the same debut numbers. But that doesn't make them any better nor any worse. It's just because some people care more about success and numbers than anything else.

It is so stupid to degrade Big 3 & HYBE idol's hardwork for sure, actually this is so pathetic

they work hard to keep up with the high standard and pressured to continue their senior's legacy

but surely they have more hype and pretty much their success is guaranteed

for groups from small & nugu companies they have to stand out from pool of hundreds of groups esp in this oversaturated industry, even though one stands out they still have to keep people's attention

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Well GLAM failed pretty bad if you include HYBE in the Big 3

For SM I'd say The Grace never did well, nor their sub unit

YG has always done fairly well,

JYP - The Wonder Girls weren't a flop but they definitely weren't super popular, and 2PM and 2AM weren't that popular either

you can't really count groups that debuted before BTS. BigHit was a nugu company before BTS success.

Grace debuted around the same time as Super Junior, the group which established SM's position in big 3 along with SNSD. So the big 3 privilege only started have an effect on the SM groups who debuted after SJ & SNSD.

Wonder Girls, 2PM and 2AM were way popular than most middle tier & nugu company 2nd gen groups.

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Omg did you read my post?? I said same thing as you but I was salty towards SNSD then became a sone after watching their training clips on yt and hearing them crying about being called a dance group with no singers ahhh I was also ignorant back then.

lmaooo sorry i just skimmed through it

but we both have the same thoughts so that’s crazy

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To be fair that's with everything popular like if Sony was to announce a ps6 today it would be viral but some unknown game company could be coming out with a new game system and it would be some buzz but not much

yupp and that's not necessarily a bad thing.. becuz they have established the trust in their consumers that anything they produce would have a good quality.. the members from big3 groups are of course talented otherwise they wouldn't have debuted.. but then again we shouldn't deny the connections these big companies have and the amount of promotions they can provide.

The Big3 privilege shouldn't be used as a drag but... it adds contexts. I don't kbow why people cannot mention it under certain circumstances

I have seen stans from BIG3 groups say something like: my faves achieved x record in less than a year whilst your faves didn't get it until they were 3-4 years old.

Like... no shit Sherlock 😒