Time to put this to rest ….. KARINA is THE 4th gen IT girl!

That’s it no further discussion!

The only 4th gen idol to have Kcharts!

The Spotify steams!

Most Luxurious brand deals!

And highest social media following and engagement

That’s it!

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The fact that aespa solo songs represent 8/10 songs of the best debut on spotify for a 4th gen solo song is CRAZY !!!

It just show how much potential each one of the members have to make a place for themselves if SM would push them more individually

Also what's makes it even more crazy is that they took 8/10 of the top 10

With songs who aren't even their solo debut, who didn't have any promo or teasing leading to the release and no MV

SM is really wasting aespa members full potential

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SM is a bad company! They never want to see their artist get too big! They have always limited their potential

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We know, but don't expect people on this platform to agree.

Aespa and Mys are not well liked here.

It’s not about agreeing anymore for a long time people were saying wait until her Solo comes out! And it has! I have nothing against Wonyoung at all but on all metrics Karina is ahead

1 + 1 isn’t 5 if people want to argue it is that’s their time I was just pointing out it’s 2

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with all due respect I like Karina and aespa however IT girl has never been used to describe charting success

well it has! An It girl has influence in all areas you can’t pick and choose what they should influence that’s not how it works lol besides people literally kept saying to wait until Wonyoung released her solo and it would do better than Karinas because she’s the IT girl and now all of a sudden it doesn’t matter a lot of narrative changing and back and forth for cope it seems!

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No dog in this fight but imo: the fact that Mys consider Wonyoung the bar Karina has to clear is proof enough that it's not her

Don’t gaslight us! We don’t! Others do lol how many post created by users from AKP alone pits Wonyoung against Karina! I can send you ten right now if you want

They set the bar! I came with facts! I rarely get involved but it’s overdone and tired now

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First, like Selfmate said, it girls were never required a success music career, if so Suzy and Yoona would've never be it girls and the it girl should've been Taeyeon, which she isn't.

Karina did great with Up, but it's not like she has a solid solo career, she will need to prove herself more as a musician, she already has a great start.

Second, as Daisy said, if for Karina to be the it girl she needs to "surpass" Wonyoung than Wonyoung is the it girl standard for mys.

Third, I'll never understand this fetish so many mys have that just 1 girl can be the it girl when this was never the case in ANY gen. We have 2 or 3 it girls each gen, you don't need to "exclude" one just to benefit your fave. Both girls trend non stop, bring buzz to their groups and have a good career.

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well it has! An It girl has influence in all areas you can’t pick and choose what they should influence that’s not how it works lol besides people literally kept saying to wait until Wonyoung released her solo and it would do better than Karinas because she’s the IT girl and now all of a sudden it doesn’t matter a lot of narrative changing and back and forth for cope it seems!

Don’t gaslight us! We don’t! Others do lol how many post created by users from AKP alone pits Wonyoung against Karina! I can send you ten right now if you want

They set the bar! I came with facts! I rarely get involved but it’s overdone and tired now

This applies to your post too and I think everyone’s forgetting Suzi was successful in charts during her first solo years! This was already proven a bad example

An IT girl has influence and popularity! People don’t pick and choose what that influence is over to fit their narrative that’s not how things works!

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I don't see that many actually?

It's always the few Mys trying to prove it's not Wonyoung, meanwhile the few dives don't need to prove Wonyoung's place, which also is pretty telling imo

That’s because there’s barely any active dives on here most are multi Stans and the few diehard ones like Icy do post about Wonyoung being the IT girl (not my point though). You don’t see the many threads Yama alone created about why Wonyoung is the IT girl over Karina or how she’s passing Karina and then others?

Besides it’s not like I mentioned Wonyoung in my opening post lol! My point was the reason why KARINA is the IT girl!

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Suzy had a decent solo career nowhere near Taeyeon who from 2nd gen is the most successful solo female idol and it's never in the discussion of It Girls.

And Wonyoung has influence and popularity in a lot of areas, unless you tell her influence is non existent and everybody is crazy.

In the end Karina solo did way better, cool, but she was already an it girl before it, unless you also tell me she was just after Up was released or that she was a weak it girl.

Suzy still charted great and the best from her group! She was able to influence people to actually stream her music!

I don’t really understand your other points lol Wonyoung literally just released her solo and she’s an IT girl too she’s actually had a longer career than Karina logically speaking so why wasn’t she able to influence people the way Karina was?

DaisyTheGenuine  monalisalove LOL the irony of all this is someone else came into my post to mention Wonyoung despite me not mentioning her at all in my opening post yet you both are trying to gaslight me and Mys into being obsessed with a supposedly one sided IT girl battle

I literally said Karina is the IT girl and the first reply is about Wonyoung yet it’s Mys that make her the bar make it make sense!

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then the issue is not whether an IT girl is Karina or Wonyoung or even some other person it's the definition of what makes and IT girl

I've always said set out the criteria and data and metrics and weighting used to determine what is or what is not "something" (ie. in this case IT GIRLness) and then it is easy to define who is or who isn't

so getting back to definitions and weighting and criteria - no one is arguing that Karina has a better "solo" musical charting compared to Wonyoung (I don't really know how wonyoung is charting) so purely in terms of music and the successfulness of that music that's "one point" to Karina however it is in most of the other non-music elements which I believe that most people consider Wonyoung to be leading by quiet a bit - again that in no way diminishes any of Karina's success

But you’re ignoring everything else from my opening post lol! Again picking and choosing a narrative instead of reading the whole thing!

You came in here with clear intentions rather than reading the other data and information I used to back up my statement it’s not only about charting!

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i believe there is a distinction between visual 'it girl' and the more general it girls status, who is someone who has tremendous influence and not only in the visual department.

for example lee Hyori vs Eugene

Suzy vs Yoona

Jennie vs Irene

or even Naeyeon vs Tzuyu

to be a visual, you need to have outstanding beauty but also personality (otherwise you end up like Sullyoon )

but a true it girls is mostly driven by her charms and charisma

now i agree that both Suzy and Karina also are visual powerhouses, but they're more classique it girl material while the others seem more like the ' top beauty queens of their gen' like Wonyoung.

i believe a real hit girl has major influence is MANY departements, while visuals are mostly actresses or models, cf queens.

so in my opinion, Karina is the it girl of 4th gen, (alongside Hanni i believe, when she was promoting). but the top visual queen is more Wonyoung. and Karina is on the podium with her (in terms of visuals).

(i also believe that if njs kept on promoting, Minji would have become a beauty queen as well)

Anyway, Wonyoung has a more classique top visual beauty while Karina's looks are more unique and extravagant. Most gp (at least in asia) will prefer the more classique type. But the real it girls are beyond just beauty queens. It girl have influence beyong the beauty departement.

And Wonyoung's success in charting is the proof of that.

Lee Hyori, Jennie, even Suzy had succesful music careers. While Yoona, Irene or Tzuyu struggled to get success beyong their beauty queen title. (even tho both Irene and Won seem to be stan attractors as well...)

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I agree! I always said Nayeon (TWICE) and Hanni were IT girls despite people telling me they aren’t!

My original point was Karina is at the top! The facts don’t lie! I’m not here to debate it etc I just shared my thoughts and gave evidence people can accept or ignore it

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It's just that when I read the threads "Karina is THE It Girl" I just pick up on a lot of stress on the "THE" part.

Tbh in my defence I use grammar and punctuation loosely! Like my exclamation mark doesn’t mean I’m shouting or emotional! It’s just for fun I also use it in titles to dramatize the post/clickbaitish nothing gets a post going on akp like drama!

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If charting was a determinant of IT girl then Gaeul is a bigger IT girl than Wonyoung because her solo is doing way better

Gaeul truly is that bitch

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I mentioned earlier Starship should capitalize off this and start Gaeul solo promotions! The demand is there and it can only benefit her/IVE’s future!

Didn’t she also rise on a Melon chart too

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Btw op, you are acting like you are fighting people who were saying things about Karina not being an it girl when it's just you trying to prove yet again that your fave is the it girl out of nowhere I guess that Ive slaying the charts did made some mys afraid, but of nothing, Karina is still an it girl alongside Wonyoung.

Im not trying to prove anything I simply said Karina is the IT girl and supported my claim! Since when was it a crime to post about your favs lol

People do it all the time but when I do it peoples first reaction is to deny, deflect or attack! That sounds like a them problem not my own

When have you seen me go into anyone’s post about anything and start debating with them