Easier to say racism than admit Manon is not suited to be an idol.
I do agree that the other members were likely to be jealous of Manon
But personally I don’t think it’s racism so much as being the right fit for the idol type group.
Easier to say racism than admit Manon is not suited to be an idol.
I do agree that the other members were likely to be jealous of Manon
But personally I don’t think it’s racism so much as being the right fit for the idol type group.
Interesting. I was hoping people would have some facts to back up their claim. Here in Brazil, racism is a crime and people are arrested for it. Thank God! A huge step forward to stop racism
What I hate is when people call anything racist just to win an argument or to start a fanwar while deflating a very important social issue and reducing it to nitpicking...
do the other girls talk about this drama? Did they provide any kind of support? Did Lara say anything in support of Manon?
I think she's completely absent in one of the choreos which started the debate. She's clearly the visual and the first one you notice so it was a bit odd but you can also kind of tell she's had less training then the others so I assumed that was why. They also left her out of a performance video which was a bizarre choice.
I'm not going to buy anything anyone says in reality tv though. Evil edits are a thing and just because they're implying she's lazy doesn't mean it's true.
Display MoreInteresting. I was hoping people would have some facts to back up their claim. Here in Brazil, racism is a crime and people are arrested for it. Thank God! A huge step forward to stop racism
What I hate is when people call anything racist just to win an argument or to start a fanwar while deflating a very important social issue and reducing it to nitpicking...
do the other girls talk about this drama? Did they provide any kind of support? Did Lara say anything in support of Manon?
I want to preface by saying it’s likely Manon and Lara do face a lot of racism because that’s the industry and I don’t expect better from it.
But for me so far the example provided by fans is just not example of racism from the company by and of itself. Like I think she’s not present in some stuff because schedules clashed etc etc not because the group and the company wanted to be racist towards her.
I want to preface by saying it’s likely Manon and Lara do face a lot of racism because that’s the industry and I don’t expect better from it.
But for me so far the example provided by fans is just not example of racism from the company by and of itself. Like I think she’s not present in some stuff because schedules clashed etc etc not because the group and the company wanted to be racist towards her.
Yes! all the girls in the group face structural racism. No one convinces me that the hypersexualization of this group is not closely linked to racial fetishization. I'm sure these girls, especially Lara and Manon, experience racial distress constantly. This is the sad world we live in. but when I heard that she left because HYBE was racist, I thought the company had racist attitudes against her. but until now nothing I search on this subject made sense. Why invest so much in someone you "hate"? why put her as the group's visual? unless it's some disgusting marketing tactic, some protagonist narrative created to turn her into a solo star, it doesn't make sense why the company would do that
The most racist thing a show can do is 'race-swap' 17th-18th century Western elites. It sanitizes a brutal era of history by pretending racial hierarchies didn't exist, effectively erasing the reality of the millions who were actually enslaved at the time.
I'm talking about bridgerton, Disney remakes like little mermaid, snow white, some queen Cleopatra, Charlotte and many more.
This is an interesting argument, but how is this related to katseye situation?
I think she's completely absent in one of the choreos which started the debate. She's clearly the visual and the first one you notice so it was a bit odd but you can also kind of tell she's had less training then the others so I assumed that was why. They also left her out of a performance video which was a bizarre choice.
I'm not going to buy anything anyone says in reality tv though. Evil edits are a thing and just because they're implying she's lazy doesn't mean it's true.
Did they give any explanation? Was she sick or with a family or personal issue? she was just not there without any explanation? well this is sus
This is an interesting argument, but how is this related to katseye situation?
It isn't, and also it's wrong on multiple levels.
I think the most racist thing a show can do is espouse racial supremacist or eugenicist worldviews personally. That's just me though.
Bridgerton is basically historical fantasy. The Little Mermaid and Snow White are fantasy, and are not specific to any time period, society, or culture.
Cleopatra was the ruler of a multicultural nation in a time before the modern conception of race.
I dunno who Charlotte is. Nugu?
Non-white people existed in 17th-19th century Europe and could sometimes attain high status. Alexandre Dumas is one.
Manon’s boyfriend reposted or shared a post about the mistreatment of Black members in girl groups.
Black artists also recently showed support to Manon.
Manon herself also liked a post about racism in the industry.
So it’s likely Manon experienced something that she perceives as racism. It’s not necessarily just coming from the fans.
We don’t have the details, so I don’t think it’s fair to write off her experiences just yet.
It could very well be an instance where both sides were in the wrong, but Manon was forced to take the fall for it. Even if tension had escalated among the group, you’d think HYBE and Geffen would make all involved individuals take a hiatus, but they potentially singled out Manon. If so, that could be why it comes off as racism.
Then again, it could just be something entirely different and racism might not have much to do with it. Basically, we don’t know much aside from things that were cryptically hinted by Manon, her boyfriend, and other artists who showed support. Some fans understandably see this as reason to believe she was mistreated due to her race.
I think the most racist thing a show can do is espouse racial supremacist or eugenicist worldviews personally. That's just me though.
I agree with this.
Calling it interesting is just a cultural linguistic expression lol. My bad! It's common where I come from to respond things with just the words: “interesting” or “complicated”, when we simply don't want to engage with the subject, or the type of conversation. It's a polite way of "let the delulu be"
Display MoreManon’s boyfriend reposted or shared a post about the mistreatment of Black members in girl groups.
Black artists also recently showed support to Manon.
Manon herself also liked a post about racism in the industry.
So it’s likely Manon experienced something that she perceives as racism. It’s not necessarily just coming from the fans.
We don’t have the details, so I don’t think it’s fair to write off her experiences just yet.
It could very well be an instance where both sides were in the wrong, but Manon was forced to take the fall for it. Even if tension had escalated among the group, you’d think HYBE and Geffen would make all involved individuals take a hiatus, but they potentially singled out Manon. If so, that could be why it comes off as racism.
Then again, it could just be something entirely different and racism might not have much to do with it. Basically, we don’t know much aside from things that were cryptically hinted by Manon, her boyfriend, and other artists who showed support. Some fans understandably see this as reason to believe she was mistreated due to her race.
I didn't know she had a boyfriend or that he liked a post about it. But I do hope it's not racism, because it's no way she would comeback if this is one of her motivations. To bad because she has so much potential, a lot of star quality
She DOES experience racism, just not from the group and company like certain people are trying to imply. IMO, the shit that KATSEYE akgaes spew is much closer to racism than putting her on hiatus ever will.
Mistreatment? Yes. Racism? No. If it were racism, not only would she NOT be scouted in the first place but she wouldn't even have made it to the final lineup AND HYBE would NOT be currently planning to debut another black idol.
Did they give any explanation? Was she sick or with a family or personal issue? she was just not there without any explanation? well this is sus
Manon was absent from the Gabriella performance video because of an injury. People were pissed they didn't try to include her at all or waited for her to be better.
She's also supposedly unwell right now when she has clearly stated she is healthy so all those injuries sound to sound a bit... Eh.
It's very tough to know the full situation. I'm unsure if it's members, staff, or labels are being racist towards her. I think it says something that she liked the post about racism black members face in girl groups. Plus, the support from other artist makes it a very serious matter. I wish they can get into full details because it's a very serious claim to make imo. I still have no clue why Hybe x Geffen never made a statement about this. It's just all so odd because it's only getting worse for the group imo.
Well, in my humble opinion, if she was injured,
in the gears of capitalism, it makes sense that she wouldn't be there. If you think like a human being, of course it doesn't make sense, but corporations are not humanitarian places, are they? They have only one purpose: money, that's it. If she is not “useful” to do her part, they will throw her away. But that doesn't make it a race issue.
But if she claims she's healthy and the company says she's out of the group due to health issues, then that's another level of nasty and I can see why people think this topic has racial undertones.
Sometimes, crying that the issue is based in racism seems like its a deflection, and one used to divert any scrutiny away from Manon entirely.
Implying that Manon may not be completely be the innocent victim in all this, that there might be more complex reasons driving the situation or, at the more extreme end, to say that Manon might be the actual problem. All that can be dismissed by saying "no this is happening because anyone not 100% backing Manon and taking her as the innocent victim is being racist. The company is being racist"
To me, it feels like some are using cries of racism, or making this a racism issue, to try and blur or obfuscate what else might be happening.
We kind of see some hints of it happening here, where one exceptionally biased poster, driven by a constant, pathological all consuming ulterior motive, keeps couching this issue behind racial lines.
I just want to point out in the Katseye Seasons Greetings, there is a multiple choice section about each member. For Manon's the question was "What does Manon think her best quality is?" and two of the options are "her laziness" and "her selfishness."
We don't know what's going down, it's true. But the fact that HYBE would print that in official merchandise and think it's appropriate (and it had to go through people to get approved) makes me think there is a lot more to the story that none of us know.
She DOES experience racism, just not from the group and company like certain people are trying to imply. IMO, the shit that KATSEYE akgaes spew is much closer to racism than putting her on hiatus ever will.
Mistreatment? Yes. Racism? No. If it were racism, not only would she NOT be scouted in the first place but she wouldn't even have made it to the final lineup AND HYBE would NOT be currently planning to debut another black idol.
This is such a flawed argument it’s like saying I’m not racist I have a black friend 
Without Manon the group would not be considered a global group without a a black girl so yeah they basically added for the « quota »
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