Agree or Disagree: If HYBE collapsed into ruin today, K-Pop would be better off tomorrow
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i don't really know .... if that happened, some nugu company would become huge, swallow other companies, and start producing "gang gang gang"-like " music "
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It'll be worst.
HYBE is the biggest company in the industry, bigger than next 3 combined.You'd think a collapsed HYBE will have negative effect overall, at least in short term.
In the long term, no HYBE means no leader. All of the other companies are either too small or too incompetent. People will lost interest in kpop in this case.
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hybe collapsing is a NECESSITY for the survival of kpop.
specially Bang and all his minions.
that man is VILE, FOUL, extremely jealous and MALVOLENT.
he destroyed kpop by his obsession of monopoly and taking down ANY competiton, his bots and the autotuned ai vocals. proof is the worst years kpop ever went through were under his complete reign (aka since 2024).
he destroyed 4th gen.
im adamant most of the sht all the top or incoming top 4th groups and specially ggs went through were due to his plotings and manipulations.
i fear even jailing him is not enough if he still has lapdogs blindly obeing him. and that makes me wonder if the man who plays the mafia boss shouldn't just end like most of them do...
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It'll be worst.
HYBE is the biggest company in the industry, bigger than next 3 combined.You'd think a collapsed HYBE will have negative effect overall, at least in short term.
In the long term, no HYBE means no leader. All of the other companies are either too small or too incompetent. People will lost interest in kpop in this case.
No way.
If HYBE collapses, then BTS will just make their own company and that's where HYBE gained the majority of their following anyways. Seventeen would probably do the same. I'm sure the bigger groups could get picked up by any desperate company. NewJeans could debut again which I think would distract from HYBE.
SM will just take over as leader again. Aespa, H2H, and RIIZE are pretty much leading their generations. YG has Baemon and their sister company, TBL, has MEOVV and ADP. JYP has TWICE and SKZ on stadium tours, NMIXX just blew up with Blue Valentine.
HYBE is also a conglomerate, I do wonder if any of the mini companies could just break off.
There are so many groups debuting everyday, so many companies would be happy to take the place.
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Is the Biggest Anachronism behind HYBE
That is a hard question. She follows the wind, and when she sensed NJ was not walking the 'right way' she invited Le Sserafim to her concert, although she has not made up with Illit (except Wonhee who followed her before RU Next).
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They're not a good company but losing one of the biggest investors to the industry is not a good thing. Unsure if there's another party that will invest heavily into the industry. Also, most people mainly follow big companies, so that means there's less places for an idol to make a lot of money from the industry.
I guess in this hypothetical a company like Starship and TBL will level up and become a place to invest heavily into the industry?
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Definitely yes, bc Hybe's oversaturation method is hurting kpop overall. Aren't they planning on releasing 3 more girl groups this year?? That's so crazy. I think fans are getting fatigued and the general public will too, and they're releasing more generic TikTok pop slops that cater to the algorithm. Plus Hybe is so extremely messy with their legal and internal dramas that it'll be nice to get some peace (even if it's just for a day lol)
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That’s a hard question to answer I need an unsure option! I think yes kpop will move on at some point of course but I don’t think it will happen very abruptly like a switch!
That would put a lot of people out of jobs including loved idols and 100s of staff members
I think that will have a great impact on the kpop community (hate it or not Hybe has risen to a leading big company and a pioneer of kpop especially within recent years).Depending on the reason I suppose
I see a lot of companies and investors rushing to offer support. Hypothetically kpop will continue going I’m just unsure how better off things will be immediately!Edit: would this possibly impact SK global market, their state of affairs maybe their global tourism (last one might have no impact at all tbh)
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They will spam IP rather than focus on growing their existing ones because saturating the market is the strategy. It lowers their margin but shuts out competitors.
that's because they aim to become the industry all by themselves.
so if the actual industry doesn't fight back and puts hybe in their place, they're just gonna get replaced by them.
hybe is acting like they have sub labels, but in fact it's just one megalabel tightly controlled by Bang. so all their new groups feel and sounds the same.
they're saturating the market with the same autontuned tiktok ai slop.
all of this, the monopoly, the saturation, the unique model, the elimination of competion, is what is happening right now and it's largely why kpop has been so dead since 2024, specially in 25.
hybe NEEDS to be dismantled, or Bango and his gang has to be replaced. which sounds very unlikly since that fad controls above 50% of the company with his cousin and co...
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K+pop is already declining anyway
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If BSH and HYBE's business executives were to collapse, then yes, kpop WOULD be better off.
But HYBE as a whole? No. That would be wasted potential and just ruining the dream of the many groups under the company and while BTS might have the funds and connections to start their own company, most of the other groups don't.
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If BSH and HYBE's business executives were to collapse, then yes, kpop WOULD be better off.
But HYBE as a whole? No. That would be wasted potential and just ruining the dream of the many groups under the company and while BTS might have the funds and connections to start their own company, most of the other groups don't.
Those labels would just operate completely independently.
Source would be its own company again as would Pledis.
The only one that would truly lack any stopgap measures or credible leadership is FRAUDOR, and we all know why
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Those labels would just operate completely independently.
Source would be its own company again as would Pledis.
The only one that would truly lack any stopgap measures or credible leadership is FRAUDOR, and we all know why
HYBE owns 80% of SourceMusic and 90% of PLEDIS.
I very much doubt that HYBE as whole can collapse with no impact to its subsidiaries.
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Those labels would just operate completely independently.
Source would be its own company again as would Pledis.
The only one that would truly lack any stopgap measures or credible leadership is FRAUDOR, and we all know why
These companies will all be worse off, and there's no guarantee they will be able to maintain fans or have enough resources to compete. This will limit opportunities for idols because most people don't follow smaller companies. Hybe provides guarantee success to hundreds of idols, and losing Hybe would result in less opportunities for idols. Plus, there would be a lot of staff that is losing job security.
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Honestly, yes. Musically Hybe isn't exactly leading the game. Even their international links aren't really doing much.
Their bigger groups are self producing enough to be autonomous so they don't really need the company.
The other groups would do better without Hybe pushing all the current trends on them.
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These companies will all be worse off, and there's no guarantee they will be able to maintain fans or have enough resources to compete. This will limit opportunities for idols because most people don't follow smaller companies. Hybe provides guarantee success to hundreds of idols, and losing Hybe would result in less opportunities for idols. Plus, there would be a lot of staff that is losing job security.
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
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Obviously yes.
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These companies will all be worse off, and there's no guarantee they will be able to maintain fans or have enough resources to compete. This will limit opportunities for idols because most people don't follow smaller companies. Hybe provides guarantee success to hundreds of idols, and losing Hybe would result in less opportunities for idols. Plus, there would be a lot of staff that is losing job security.
Source Music sure but completely disagree on Pledis. Seventeen could easily make enough money to maintain what they have. Already a major player before Hybe took over. They got major brand deals before too.
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Source Music sure but completely disagree on Pledis. Seventeen could easily make enough money to maintain what they have. Already a major player before Hybe took over. They got major brand deals before too.
That's true, they're probably one of the their sub-labels that can perform well without their resources. However, there's no guarantee their following acts will have the same success. Having Hybe's backing guarantees success for their next group. Unsure if their attempt at a girl group will have the same success without Hybe's backing. I guess to be fair we have no clue how successful that group is since they haven't debuted yet.
I'm just unsure if somebody can fill Hybe's void if they were to collapse. I don't think most of their subl-abels survive without their backing, and unsure if another company fills their void. I just think for health of the industry having one major player with a lot of resources backing out isn't good for the health of the industry
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That's true, they're probably one of the their sub-labels that can perform well without their resources. However, there's no guarantee their following acts will have the same success. Having Hybe's backing guarantees success for their next group. Unsure if their attempt at a girl group will have the same success without Hybe's backing. I guess to be fair we have no clue how successful that group is since they haven't debuted yet.
I'm just unsure if somebody can fill Hybe's void if they were to collapse. I don't think most of their subl-abels survive without their backing, and unsure if another company fills their void. I just think for health of the industry having one major player with a lot of resources backing out isn't good for the health of the industry
I think we're in a new era. like literally. not just a new generation. but like way back. like the 90s.
The big3 has collapsed and for various reasons, smaller and promising agencies have emmerged from them tho, like TBL and now oaak. (both children of yg and sm) I can see them becoming the next Big2 with some other underdog player who knows maybe Jay park's agencies or Madhouse etc be part of the game...
Or who knows Jyp be part of the big 4. With some other Hybe sublabel make it on their own and make a rather balanced Big5.
This would take some years for them to get more 'big', like a gen or two. But I can see it happening.
Yet a organism like Hybe will NOT allow these entities to properly grow. They are part of the reason why big 3 collapsed and if they are still around behaving the way they do, will hardly allow the developpement of their competition, enough at least for them to become 'big'.
With their dictatorial control of the market and of the media, their extravagant financial power, even the support of a legal cartel, they can literally make or break, harrass or destroy almost anyone they want. Anyone that gets a tiny bit 'too' successful.
They are too powerful, too rich and still too GREEDY, MALVOLENT and VINDICATIVE.
But basically, it's either Hybe and their 39489458578696080 clone ai slop trend chasing tiktok music groups massively pushed down everyone's throat and saturating the market or it's the kpop industry with various smaller agencies actually making content and having their own brands and a real drive/passion for music.
It's either one or the other.
Yes the other part of the industry will still try to strive and grow, but i don't think they will be able to reach their full or even real potential in an industry where something like Hybe exist.
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we're in a new era
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acctually not tho.
oaak is just the continuation of og ador. and they were litrally the best and biggest rising thing in the industry.
the original blue ship of the new generation of kop agencies.
lead by none other but the genius kpop dynosaur MHJ.
i would have said tbl and ador but oh well, hybe destroyed ador so...
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I think we're in a new era. like literally. not just a new generation. but like way back. like the 90s.
The big3 has collapsed and for various reasons, smaller and promising agencies have emmerged from them tho, like TBL and now oaak. (both children of yg and sm) I can see them becoming the next Big2 with some other underdog player who knows maybe Jay park's agencies or Madhouse etc be part of the game...
Or who knows Jyp be part of the big 4. With some other Hybe sublabel make it on their own and make a rather balanced Big5.
This would take some years for them to get more 'big', like a gen or two. But I can see it happening.
Yet a organism like Hybe will NOT allow these entities to properly grow. They are part of the reason why big 3 collapsed and if they are still around behaving the way they do, will hardly allow the developpement of their competition, enough at least for them to become 'big'.
With their dictatorial control of the market and of the media, their extravagant financial power, even the support of a legal cartel, they can literally make or break, harrass or destroy almost anyone they want. Anyone that gets a tiny bit 'too' successful.
They are too powerful, too rich and still too GREEDY, MALVOLENT and VINDICATIVE.
But basically, it's either Hybe and their 39489458578696080 clone ai slop trend chasing tiktok music groups massively pushed down everyone's throat and saturating the market or it's the kpop industry with various smaller agencies actually making content and having their own brands and a real drive/passion for music.
It's either one or the other.
Yes the other part of the industry will still try to strive and grow, but i don't think they will be able to reach their full or even real potential in an industry where something like Hybe exist.
I do agree it could potentially create new opportunities for groups from smaller companies to succeed. However, there is a potential threat of one of the big 3 to spend their resources to make it difficult for other groups to succeed. It's a business and the bigger companies will use this as an opportunity to claim what Hybe lost.
I think one thing we'll for sure lose out on is companies not being able to have the same global reach Hybe has. Say what you want about the company, but I don't think other kpop companies know how to market their groups to a global audience. We've seen so many companies fumble where Hybe is very successful at. I think the collapse of Hybe will hurt the global reach of kpop.
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An agency that hasn't even debuted a group yet, not to talk of establishing an official building. DUH.
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I think k-pop would be better off without them. I am generally against monopolies and would like to see more regulation as to how large a business can become.
For HYBE in particular, you can see they are a.) too business minded, seeking shareholder value at all costs and behaving inhumanly as a result, and b.) incompetent, having destroyed NewJeans and dragged various groups through the mud due to shady internal practices and mishandling of grievances.
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I do agree it could potentially create new opportunities for groups from smaller companies to succeed. However, there is a potential threat of one of the big 3 to spend their resources to make it difficult for other groups to succeed. It's a business and the bigger companies will use this as an opportunity to claim what Hybe lost.
I think one thing we'll for sure lose out on is companies not being able to have the same global reach Hybe has. Say what you want about the company, but I don't think other kpop companies know how to market their groups to a global audience. We've seen so many companies fumble where Hybe is very successful at. I think the collapse of Hybe will hurt the global reach of kpop.
i don't think so.
just in this gen, we know what hybe did to the most successful group in the west that wasn't made by them.
in a world where hybe rules, the newjeans situations will keep on repeating in one way or another...
specially in the gg category.
cause hybe honeslty sucks at making and handling ggs for the most part. so they're extra insecure in that department.
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I think the collapse of Hybe will hurt the global reach of kpop.
Disagree. With the way Hybe operates the international reach of kpop is happening despite their mechanisms to prevent non-hybe groups from succeeding.
The biggest international moments have been from non-hybe groups the last few years. BP girls are making their name internationally despite YG being a mess. Stray Kids, Ateez have been getting most of the money from international audiences.
BTS will 100% be a huge monster hit internationally this year but Hybe needs BTS, BTS doesn't need Hybe.
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What mechanisms?
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