[theqoo] KARINA PERFORMING AT WATERBOMB TODAY! Criticized for lip syncing, dancing, etc…

It's like she literally forgot she was supposed to be "singing." Not sure how you make that mistake this far into your career. Regardless, inviting her to perform by herself was really dumb in the first place, Sprite sponsorship be damned.

What's wrong I don't understand?

Her and aespa really need to be criticized for it so SM will let them sing live. More so at a festival when non fans are also there.

It's her chance to shine as herself, but it's ruined

I dont know how easy it is to sing live properly at an event where the whole point is for people to splash you with water

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How did itzy do compared to karina? Since they were also there

Itzy girls are very engaging performers. I just watched the older waterbomb Aespa performance and recent Itzy one. There's no comparison.

I think Aespa did a lot better in some of their university appearances.

Don't get me wrong, the performances sucked but don't most people lipsynch in water bomb? Atp it feels like they're singling Karina out because they're mad she didn't wear a super revealing outfit like they wanted her to. I can think of others who went viral in water bomb in spite of lipsynching.

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How did itzy do compared to karina? Since they were also there

They lipsynched too. And so did Somi and Fromis lol. But Karina is being singled out for some reason

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Hmm she must have a lot of antis + she’s so much more popular compared to the rest so they are nitpicking her performances?

Or is it simply bc of stage presence? The others are not called out cuz they gave great energy/stage presence? Tho I haven’t seen any of their stages tbh. I only saw one but it was just Somi previewing her new song, not the whole performance.

You should watch the performances and judge for yourself. Personally I think she did great performing her solo "UP". The problem was with her performing Aespa's songs, it was awkward and she looked uncomfortable.

However, like I said above, I think she got people mad because she didn't wear a revealing /sexy outfit / bathing suit. Which is what many expect/ want to see from idols with her body type.

Comments in pa*n were much more positive than the qoo, people were complimenting her looks and outfit there. So I guess it's rather a matter of difference in demographics (more specifically gender) or, like you said, a difference in the distribution of the number of antis between platforms.

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People really think that they are going to let artists use micro that cost thousand/hundred of dollars

When they know that they are going to perform in a festival where the whole point is to be splash by the entire crowd

And please did you already try to take your shower spray, splashing you with , and try to talk or sing ?

Well i did try and that's pretty much impossible

So it's pretty much impossible to sing when you have 100 people trying to splashing you

Be for real for once, most people that go there are lipsyncing

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D&E, Jay Park and JYP did sing live though. It's neither impossible nor a standard to sing live there. Karina was far from being the only one or even part of a minority that lipsynched, it's very common. So lipsynching is definitely not the real reason behind the dragging.

Well she literally tried singing over the track! It’s better than those that pretend they are the track only Karina is singled out because it’s Karina

It girl things I guess!

I'm one that doesn’t like the lipsync, but stage presence argument to drag her is meh. I saw their performances and the so called stage presences from the idols are all about the same not worth mentioning.

Imo why she was being dragged is because of antis just want to hate her. I saw even mys shade her

Posting these because it's the stage presence that's Karina's Achilles heel and not lip sync. Lip sync is not stopping Itzy from engaging with the audience.

Here we go again with the live singing argument.

This whole argument should be boiled down to two main points.

Point 1 - Live singing has and always will be irrelevant in Kpop or any pop that is performance heavy. Vocals matter when it comes to Broadway, ballads, classic rock songs and classic country. Vocals are completely irrelevant for the vast majority of modern pop where everyone and their mothers are autotuned anyway. There is no point to being a vocalist anymore for 99 percent of the Hot 100 and Kpop.

Point 2 - That being said, don't be a hypocritical buttnugget and start trashing other idols for being crap live singers when your faves literally can't sing live, are completely dependent on lipsyncing or heavy ass backtrack and autotuning, and have basic toddler level choreo to boot. Like that's three strikes and you're out.

Imma put up some vocal demos of this ancient nobody named Rory Dodd. Unless your faves can sing like this, dont bother wasting one second worrying about anyone's vocals. This is pure, unautotuned vocals that nobody can match in the entire industry and this singer is an absolute NUGU. Note also just how amazing the songs are. There was a time when pop songs were made by modern day Mozarts like the late Jim Steinman, instead of computer algorithms.

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Well she literally tried singing over the track! It’s better than those that pretend they are the track only Karina is singled out because it’s Karina

It girl things I guess!

Yes. Unfortunately that status seems to come with hate.

I wish they'd give her a break after the recent hate she got.

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It's like she literally forgot she was supposed to be "singing." Not sure how you make that mistake this far into your career. Regardless, inviting her to perform by herself was really dumb in the first place, Sprite sponsorship be damned.

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What's wrong I don't understand?

SME, that's what's wrong. They don't allow their Idols to sing live, unless you're Taeyeon, and you don't give a fck about what SM says.

It's not like Karina can't sing, it's just SM doesn't care. They do this at their own concerts, not just aespa, btw.

I've been critical of Karina in this thread but Somi also performs the same way she does (mike away from the mouth) and has less vitriol sent her way.

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I dont know how easy it is to sing live properly at an event where the whole point is for people to splash you with water

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And please did you already try to take your shower spray, splashing you with , and try to talk or sing ?

Well i did try and that's pretty much impossible

So it's pretty much impossible to sing when you have 100 people trying to splashing you

It's not easy, unless you're a Pro performer! So, it's not really impossible, just most Idols don't do it, because it's hard.

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They lipsynched too. And so did Somi and Fromis lol. But Karina is being singled out for some reason

Somi lipsynched for parts of her performance, but she also sang live (with a back track) for much of it. Karina was almost 100% lipsynched. Somi's teaser for the new song was an exception with full lipsyching, but that was so she could properly tease the dance as well.

Somi sang a little of the new song with Jay Park though:

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Why was she there alone does she have enough solo songs or did she perform aespa songs alone

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Posting these because it's the stage presence that's Karina's Achilles heel and not lip sync. Lip sync is not stopping Itzy from engaging with the audience.

True. Stage presence is really the biggest issue. If Karina had it then most would be praising her performance.

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Why was she there alone does she have enough solo songs or did she perform aespa songs alone

from looks of it she performed Up, Next Level, Whiplash, Supernova. Spicy

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Why was she there alone does she have enough solo songs or did she perform aespa songs alone

She was there as part of her role as Global Model for Sprite, who also are one of the sponsors of Waterbomb. The other aespa members aren't affiliated with Sprite.

Anyway this, as always and similar to things like Coachella, in my opinion is something that fans who are attending the event are the only opinions that actually count. The people who paid money to attend, party, splash around a lot of water and watch idols perform on stage (and from what I've come to gather, also drink a shitload). If those fans had a good time that is the ONLY thing that is important.

People watching twitter clips to criticise? Opinion is unimportant and irrelevant.

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She was there as part of her role as Global Model for Sprite, who also are one of the sponsors of Waterbomb. The other aespa members aren't affiliated with Sprite.

Anyway this, as always and similar to things like Coachella, in my opinion is something that fans who are attending the event are the only opinions that actually count. The people who paid money to attend, party, splash around a lot of water and watch idols perform on stage (and from what I've come to gather, also drink a shitload). If those fans had a good time that is the ONLY thing that is important.

People watching twitter clips to criticise? Opinion is unimportant and irrelevant.

Once upon a time, people would have take a few pictures, said they had a great time to their friends and that would be it.

Now everyone can record stuff and within minutes it will be on social media, where people will start complaining about something or other. The people drinking and singing along at such an event likely didnt care at all and just thought it would be fun a celebrity is there.

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SME, that's what's wrong. They don't allow their Idols to sing live, unless you're Taeyeon, and you don't give a fck about what SM says.

It's not like Karina can't sing, it's just SM doesn't care. They do this at their own concerts, not just aespa, btw.

This is an Aespa thing. You can hear RV's voices when they perform, even if they get a backing track like everyone else. You'd certainly notice a difference if they lowered their mic in the middle of a line.

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The people drinking and singing along at such an event likely didnt care at all and just thought it would be fun a celebrity is there.

Exactly

If you haven't spent the money and time to attend, I genuinely think your opinion on the performances is invalid.

She lacks experience in performing alone and by some clips I saw she lacks courage too ?? So I don't know what outcome sme expected, but it wasn't a well planned move.

She did +/- considering her position in her group and considering her talent (I really like her vocals) and I dislike how mys can't be honest and instead of admitting it you guys are bringing up others idols as if they did as bad as Karina... Sure criticizing her 100% lip syncing performance may seem unfair bc others lip synced too, but stage presence? Others did ok, she didn't. That's it.

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This is an Aespa thing. You can hear RV's voices when they perform, even if they get a backing track like everyone else. You'd certainly notice a difference if they lowered their mic in the middle of a line.

Most SM groups lip-syncing at least 70% of the time when they perform even at their own concert. It's not just aespa.

You don't know how many groups and SM were criticized for this in the past decade or so? Even Hearts2Hearts were criticized recently.

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She lacks experience in performing alone and by some clips I saw she lacks courage too ?? So I don't know what outcome sme expected, but it wasn't a well planned move.

She did +/- considering her position in her group and considering her talent (I really like her vocals) and I dislike how mys can't be honest and instead of admitting it you guys are bringing up others idols as if they did as bad as Karina... Sure criticizing her 100% lip syncing performance may seem unfair bc others lip synced too, but stage presence? Others did ok, she didn't. That's it.

Exactly! This is her 5th year in aespa, but she never did anything as a soloist yet. Performing with a group and as a soloist is day and night. Especially at Waterbomb.

I don't think SME has any plans, honestly. It's like they're using a random generator that says what they should do next and how.

lack of experience performing alone, low confidence, and lack of stage presence

loud backtrack and very few attempts to sing louder than the backtrack, so not trying hard enough

also pervy guys are just mad Karina didn't show more skin like the other girl groups

I think that's about sums it up

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Exactly! This is her 5th year in aespa, but she never did anything as a soloist yet. Performing with a group and as a soloist is day and night. Especially at Waterbomb.

I don't think SME has any plans, honestly. It's like they're using a random generator that says what they should do next and how.

Yeah, she'll get better with time, but she also needs to work in her confidence and stage presence if she wants to have a solo career. She has the potential!

I'm also taking some of the negativity against with a huge grain of salt, because it's probably just bitter c-u-nts still buttblasted about the red jacket garbage and taking any opportunity to attack her.

Hilariously, some of the criticism I've seen aimed at her is that her costume for waterbomb was too revealing and sexual.

Hilariously, some of the criticism I've seen aimed at her is that her costume for waterbomb wasn't revealing or sexy enough.

Oh no, cherry picked hate comments from people that already don't like her