Kpop isn't about singing or vocals only when your favs can't sing like they are supposed to?!!!

this is obvious. if bts had a good vocal line imagine the kind of things army would try to claim

This just sounds like a bunch of coping from people who are in denial about being into highly manufactured pop music. If it's "artistry" you want, you're looking for it in the wrong place.

K-pop is a music genre! Just like Pop, R&B, Afrobeats etc Vocals might not be the only important thing but imo it’s the most important basic that will always be present

It feels like globally artist/ idols are debuting with less and less vocal talent in turn for aesthetics! It’s not just a kpop thing but worldwide imo

afraid things will only get worse

I think you should only brag about vocals if you sing live most of the time

Kpop isn't about anything your fave can't do well. They can't dance? It isn't about dancing but about keeping up and looking in sync. Can't sing? It isn't about vocals. Can't sell millions of album? People don't know talent. And the list goes on. Truth is that fanwars have made kpop the toxic place it is where everyone has to give a detailed explanation as to why they like what they like. If we all just admit kpop isn't about music but about catering audiences to get fans and admitted we are not better or worse for listening to it, we wouldn't have these arguments.

Because it isn't about vocals and this is the fault of fandoms, not the idols.

I see more arguments about who's topping charts, prettier, sexier, hotter, more built, has a slimmer waist, fairer skin, etc than I do about talent.

Again with this discussion? I'll say it again: Kpop is about the cult of personality/individual. Fans don't want to hear just anyone who can sing well, they want to hear the idol they like, singing. And if by any chance that idol can sing well, they will brag about it

You stan Kai and Sehun? So yes kpop isn't about singing or vocals!

Many kpop groups build onto their strengths and kind of lie or blindside people about their weaknesses. Of course there are great vocals in kpop, but many vocalist suck at dancing, for example. So neither are they perfect. I think the most important thing is to know who you are and what you want from kpop and stan those groups fitting your criteria. That way you can be satisfied.

Edit: I have to note it. I can't generalise kpop because I do think there are differences between groups adn soloists.

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No. I stan Exo. And, Kai can hold a note and Sehun is a rapper not vocalist so what's your point exactly?

his songs are always over processed and autotuned cuz he can't sing lbr. sehun isn't a rapper too though, they are all called idol rappers for a reason.

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Autotuned or not, he sings them. Unless you are saying someone does the singing for him which is not true. Using autotune doesn't mean he can't sing. Try proving that he can't sing lol!

Sehun raps, so, he's a rapper period. This thread is about vocals. If wanna downplay his rap skills, make a rap thread please.

he's always lipsyncing so he needs to win one of those encores in music shows that has NO BACKTRACK at all to prove that he can't sing 👀

How well is Nmixx doing?

Didn't groups like Melody Day, Spica and Matilda disband as nugus?

Where were the fans that love vocals so much back then?

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he's always lipsyncing so he needs to win one of those encores in music shows that has NO BACKTRACK at all to prove that he can't sing 👀

Now what?

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Kpop fans are so delusional that they can’t fathom that there’s a great in between being an opera singer and not being able to hold a note.

kpop has always been about visuals.

If you're debuting as an idol , you should be able to sing.

I know of a certain singer outside of kpop that would straight up destroy any Kpop vocalist and who would render any argument about Kpop vocals moot. Do you want me to upload some receipts?

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Autotuned or not, he sings them. Unless you are saying someone does the singing for him which is not true. Using autotune doesn't mean he can't sing. Try proving that he can't sing lol!

Sehun raps, so, he's a rapper period. This thread is about vocals. If wanna downplay his rap skills, make a rap thread please.

How can you so cavalierly dismiss autotune while being a staunch advocate of vocals? Autotune can literally make anyone sound like anything. I can sing a D4 and autotune can correct a note that is literally 7 whole steps off and turn it into a perfect C5. Of course this comes with artifacts that a trained ear can easily detect, meanwhile Kpop stans will scream to the heavens that their faves are singing raw unaltered notes lol.

99.9 percent of Kpop vocals are HEAVILY backtracked so you cant even hear the idol's actual tone, prerecorded and lipsynced live, or autotuned. I am NOT exaggerating either. Even the heavyweights from MMM and SNSD, even the Taeyeons and Wheeins and Solars and Wendys are almost always manufactured so you never know if they can actually sing live.

This is Wings of Pegasus exposing MMM for fake live singing. And this applies to ALMOST EVERYTHING we hear coming from Kpop (and almost all pop tbh).

Even the idols that (you claim) are great vocalists lip sync. What exactly is the point of those great vocals if i can't hear them live?

During 90s here were popular groups where the main "female singer's" job was to open her mouth and pretend she sings. But everyone knew who was the singer that was actually singing. One singer sang for at least 3 groups. sveznalica can confirm this. I don't see the difference between those "singers" whose only job was to lip sync to someone else's vocals and idols who are great vocalists and all they do is lip sync. Our groups were more honest, people knew what they were getting. But here you go to concerts to listen to idols lip syncing. And as long as fans support it there's no need to change.

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This is Wings of Pegasus exposing MMM for fake live singing. And this applies to ALMOST EVERYTHING we hear coming from Kpop (and almost all pop tbh).

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vocals are so heavily edited that people cannot even tell apart live from vocals from "live" vocals. This was edited post production and they used tricks (talking between) to convince people it's live. They also add breathing (can't you hear their breathing!!!). They can also use live pitch correction. Everyone who watched Madonna's performanse on Eurovision knows what the mess that was. The mess stayed on Eurovision official channel but the autotuned "correct" version was uploaded on her channel.

People need to listen to 80s and 90s live performances and remind themselves what actual live vocals sound like.

Looks and charisma will always be the top traits in Kpop. Vocals are pretty far down the list of priorities.

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Looks and charisma will always be the top traits in Kpop. Vocals are pretty far down the list of priorities.

Why do people think this only happens in kpop? Is taylor swift a great vocalist? Britney spears while she was still performing hadn't sung live in ages and she had sold out concerts. Kpop didn't think of this, they aren't that inventive. They copied it from someone else. And perfected it.

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vocals are so heavily edited that people cannot even tell apart live from vocals from "live" vocals. This was edited post production and they used tricks (talking between) to convince people it's live. They also add breathing (can't you hear their breathing!!!). They can also used live pitch correction. Everyone who watched Madonna's performanse on Eurovision knows what the mess that was. The mess stayed on Eurovision official channel but the autotuned "correct" version was uploaded on her channel.

People need to listen to 80s and 90s live performances and remind themselves what actual live vocals sound like.

10000 percent true. I wish i could give this 1000 hearts lol.

This is how easy it is these days to fake hitting the right notes. How can we be expected to care about "vocal prowess" when a rando computer nerd can do this in 10 minutes on their Dell home PC? It's insanity.

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10000 percent true. I wish i could give this 1000 hearts lol.

This is how easy it is these days to fake hitting the right notes. How can we be expected to care about "vocal prowess" when a rando computer nerd can do this in 10 minutes on their Dell home PC? It's insanity.

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This is awesome

I'm off to find Madonna's mess. I'm on phone so it will take some time, it's 4h broadcast live pitch correction completely failed. Kudos for Eurovision channel for not removing it. At least they didn't last time i checked:D

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Edited version on her channel

Or short version if you don't have time. Autotune vs reality

"Live" vocals

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I'm back sooner than i expected:D

Please listen to entire like a prayer

2:57:00

https://www.youtube.com/live/Dsx4pVjUth0

Edited version on her channel

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Or short version if you don't have time. Autotune vs reality

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It's such a fucking shame. I LOVE this song so much, i musta sang it over 100 times at Karaoke Night in my youth lol.

At this point, i'm just gonna listen to the OG version of it over and over again and tune out the rest . If Madonna wants to publish autotuned content, at least have the integrity to admit that it was pitch corrected instead of doing this tomfoolery at a singing competition no less.

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I know of a certain singer outside of kpop that would straight up destroy any Kpop vocalist and who would render any argument about Kpop vocals moot. Do you want me to upload some receipts?

Well nobody took me up on my offer but imma do it anyways. It's my standard policy when "vocals are important to Kpop" is brought up in threads.

No autotune. No backing vocals. No lipsync. Terrible audio quality. She missed probably 90 percent of the notes when compared to an autotune computer.

Yet this freaking kid moved me tears with this song. I mean she destroyed Adele with her own song tbh.

And there is no one in Kpop that can even come within 100 miles of this kid. So why bother caring about Kpop vocals? It makes no sense. If you want vocals, stan Morissette. If you want a performance, stan Kpop.

that's the good thing about kpop no - one can be in it (kpop) for a variety of different reasons

one can stan a group for literally any reason - whether it be vocals or performance or the music or dancing or rapping or visuals or company stans or success stans etc etc

the part about singing and vocal technique is always that sure most kpop idols need to have a baseline (what that line is might be different to different people) but as long as they meet the baseline everything about it is a positive and if they have exceptional vocals of course one's fans are going to brag about it just as they will brag about exceptional dancing or exception visuals etc etc

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Now what?

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Kpop fans are so delusional that they can’t fathom that there’s a great in between being an opera singer and not being able to hold a note.

I said NO backtrack. There's backtrack there, I saw this one which is the same one. 4:15 clearly shows that there's backtrack since he is avoiding the high note lol 👀

Now Baekhyun can sing, like this one is clearly without backtrack unlike Kai's. Find me one that's like this of Kai's then you can call me delusional.

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What's your take on this?

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Some Kpop fans feel like

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Lol! I can only imagine what Taeyeon would say.

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wow!

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Lmao!

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When your faves are the 5 TVXQ members and BTS you can honestly make both sides of this arguement. That said if they cant sing stop fcking debuting them

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bts living in your mind rent free

at least their spent their entire career singing live

what about your "lip syncing is a genre" faves??

Please give me an example of my faves lipsyncing cause I've never seen it

The problem for me is K-pop as industry is selling a lie with these idols. Most of them are mediocre singers or just really bad. Example, Hybe with LSF, they are mediocre singers, everybody can see that, so what Hybe does? Take you for a fool by making this "Live" videos that have nothing live on it. And stupid fans buy it. These companies think you are an idiot and you just prove their point. These idols are not good singers, respect yourself, dont be so naive.

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I said NO backtrack. There's backtrack there, I saw this one which is the same one. 4:15 clearly shows that there's backtrack since he is avoiding the high note lol 👀

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Now Baekhyun can sing, like this one is clearly without backtrack unlike Kai's. Find me one that's like this of Kai's then you can call me delusional.

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Alright? He can indeed hold and note and sings in his range. And you can very clearly hear him sing here. That was the main point. Idols sound out of pitch WITH backtrack as well.

In any case your original point makes little to no sense anyway. So what if Kai isn’t as good as Baekhyun? Kai’s parts in exo songs are minimum. Because that’s how kpop songs are. And it’s not like Kai’s solo career that’s mega hit for you to be dragging him and Sehun doesn’t even have a solo career. Both of them do minimum parts in EXO songs and they deliver on what they should. That’s why EXO don’t have controversies regarding bad performances.

You have groups who have main vocals or people who are singing half the songs and high parts who can’t hold a note and sing the majority of the songs. So don’t make false equivalence.

Half the problem in kpop is solved if groups have at least few good main vocals who sing the majority of the songs and giving the rest lines they can deliver

Imo rather than skill issue it’s people giving idols parts they can’t sing. I’ve seen this with BTS, Twice, and so many groups. Idols who struggle to reach ranges that they cannot support. Thats why they are frequently in singing controversies.

Absolutely SM has many idols that have limited range of singing skills. They just don’t make those idols their main vocals or give them the majority of the parts in songs so that the whole group doesn’t sound terrible.