I believe that Jessica is the victim and she was taken advantage of because she trusted the 8 members and SM so much. Starting her business wasn't reason enough to kick her out. They had already agreed on her taking a break, they just wanted to ruin her hiatus away from Snsd and the fact that sone members voted her out is crazy to me till this day.
It's been ten years since she was kicked out of SNSD. Are you Team Jessica or Team SNSD?
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I believe that Jessica is the victim and she was taken advantage of because she trusted the 8 members and SM so much. Starting her business wasn't reason enough to kick her out. They had already agreed on her taking a break, they just wanted to ruin her hiatus away from Snsd and the fact that sone members voted her out is crazy to me till this day.
They were already seniors so more freedom should've been the ideal, imagine being a legend in kpop, but not getting a chance to try others things bc your company loves to slave you like we know sme does.
In the end her loss was a huge blow to the group and their iconic times were ot9.
It's a pity how they ended things, but well, now it's just time to enjoy both SNSD and Jessica. In the end immaturity, a bad company manipulating the group also did them bad.
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Yet she is one of the members that never missed any SNSD event or performance!
Irrelevant sorry. She had the most all-round potential in the group from a vocal and dance perspective and she just regressed. They mentioned it in some of their varieties that she was the laziest. There was also a show somewhere where she apologised to Taeyeon for not doing her part on stage and leaving her to do all the vocal work.
It's strange to me that people will take the side of the 1 person when it was not just the 8 others that agreed to kick her out. Surely if all 8 of them, the multiple decision makers in the management team, and whomever provided these people with counsel agreed it was the best path forward at their peak then there was a bigger issue at play here.
Also, they took the high road and never spilt - only she did.
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I'm Team SNSD, and that includes Jess as well. Anyone who says otherwise is not a real SONE, simple as that!
The others didn't do anything bad to her, and I won't argue with anyone about this matter again.
Maybe after 100 years, if we become Elon Musk's new androids, we can find out what happened. Without that, it's not gonna happen, SME won't allow it!
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I was not much into kpop during SNSD era. But still vote Team SNSD, because very individual idols matter to the brand. And SNSD categorically proved that their brand value was not much affected by Jessica split and they are still legends.
So in the sense, I vote for the brand SNSD.
The exceptions to that are cases like
in those cases the idols matter a lot or even more than the group.
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Irrelevant sorry. She had the most all-round potential in the group from a vocal and dance perspective and she just regressed. They mentioned it in some of their varieties that she was the laziest. There was also a show somewhere where she apologised to Taeyeon for not doing her part on stage and leaving her to do all the vocal work.
It's strange to me that people will take the side of the 1 person when it was not just the 8 others that agreed to kick her out. Surely if all 8 of them, the multiple decision makers in the management team, and whomever provided these people with counsel agreed it was the best path forward at their peak then there was a bigger issue at play here.
Also, they took the high road and never spilt - only she did.
Snsd was overworked and Jessica was anaemic if I'm not mistaken. Both her and her sister collapsed many times after performances. And still, she was always there, she never missed a thing. I don't think all 8 voted her out but the majority did. If it was all well in the beginning of September and throughout the preparations for their next tour and yet shortly after, they kicked her out a day to their fan meetings. They'd have ended it before preparations were complete.
Also, Jessica easily ended her contract with SM without issues. It couldn't have been because of her mistakes coz SM would've burried her or had her pay a penalty fee for breach of contract but it didn't happen. Have you ever wondered why?
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Irrelevant sorry. She had the most all-round potential in the group from a vocal and dance perspective and she just regressed. They mentioned it in some of their varieties that she was the laziest. There was also a show somewhere where she apologised to Taeyeon for not doing her part on stage and leaving her to do all the vocal work.
It's strange to me that people will take the side of the 1 person when it was not just the 8 others that agreed to kick her out. Surely if all 8 of them, the multiple decision makers in the management team, and whomever provided these people with counsel agreed it was the best path forward at their peak then there was a bigger issue at play here.
Also, they took the high road and never spilt - only she did.
"The people who kicked her out of the group said she was lazy."
Because they're not biased, right? LMAO
You characterize the decision to kick her out as a carefully thought out one that must hold merit, yet it damaged the group's popularity & reputation irreparably. Their golden years officially ended that day. So no, there's no reason to assume anyone knew what they were doing. They were all held captive by their own bad judgment.
There's also no point in penalizing her due to perceived unrealized potential. She was already a better singer than everyone but Taeyeon, there was no need for her to improve.
We can say SNSD technically "never split," but the reality of the situation is that they've spent most of the past 10 years on hiatus. In the grand scheme of things, Jessica hasn't even missed much. And this only makes their reported logic for dismissing her look even worse, as it's now obvious that NONE of them are actually all that dedicated to the group.
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Lmao, this again?
SNSD as brand is SM face at that moment. No way they shoot themself in the foot, that tyrant won't allow it. Some between member fight? Just give some warning. Didn't they leak 5/8 dating scandals that year to make sure all the girls signing another contract? Didn't they somehow forgot to book security for a member when it's contract negotiation time. So either it's way bigger issue to let Jessica stay than facing the mess of kicking her out. Or Jessica out herself.
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Snsd was overworked and Jessica was anaemic if I'm not mistaken. Both her and her sister collapsed many times after performances. And still, she was always there, she never missed a thing. I don't think all 8 voted her out but the majority did. If it was all well in the beginning of September and throughout the preparations for their next tour and yet shortly after, they kicked her out a day to their fan meetings. They'd have ended it before preparations were complete.
Also, Jessica easily ended her contract with SM without issues. It couldn't have been because of her mistakes coz SM would've burried her or had her pay a penalty fee for breach of contract but it didn't happen. Have you ever wondered why?
There's more than just performances. Practices, other schedules, team meetings etc etc. Do you know that she attended all and contributed the same that the others did?
Your second paragraph doesn't make any logical sense sorry. She was kicked out of the group. That was the penalty. Massive loss of income. AFAIK she still hasn't promoted in Korea since. She absolutely got buried so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at here.
Display More"The people who kicked her out of the group said she was lazy."
Because they're not biased, right? LMAO
You characterize the decision to kick her out as a carefully thought out one that must hold merit, yet it damaged the group's popularity & reputation irreparably. Their golden years officially ended that day. So no, there's no reason to assume anyone knew what they were doing. They were all held captive by their own bad judgment.
There's also no point in penalizing her due to perceived unrealized potential. She was already a better singer than everyone but Taeyeon, there was no need for her to improve.
We can say SNSD technically "never split," but the reality of the situation is that they've spent most of the past 10 years on hiatus. In the grand scheme of things, Jessica hasn't even missed much. And this only makes their reported logic for dismissing her look even worse, as it's now obvious that NONE of them are actually all that dedicated to the group.
First, she herself admitted she was lazy.
Second, take your thoughts another step further. They damaged their popularity and reputation. You think they didn't know this? Right before a tour/concert?
Ask yourself, why would they kill or impact the golden goose? Why would management have allowed it?
For the reasons she claimed she could have been put on hiatus with some cover story instead, but they chose to go with the nuclear option instead. You think it was just because of a one off issue?
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There's more than just performances. Practices, other schedules, team meetings etc etc. Do you know that she attended all and contributed the same that the others did?
Your second paragraph doesn't make any logical sense sorry. She was kicked out of the group. That was the penalty. Massive loss of income. AFAIK she still hasn't promoted in Korea since. She absolutely got buried so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at here.
First, she herself admitted she was lazy.
Second, take your thoughts another step further. They damaged their popularity and reputation. You think they didn't know this? Right before a tour/concert?
Ask yourself, why would they kill or impact the golden goose? Why would management have allowed it?
For the reasons she claimed she could have been put on hiatus with some cover story instead, but they chose to go with the nuclear option instead. You think it was just because of a one off issue?
I don't know what caused them to make such a drastic decision. Neither do you. You asked the other person if they know that she contributed the same as the other members. Well, do you know that she didn't? Because all we have is hearsay, no solid proof of anything. I also don't recall her ever saying she was lazy and didn't fulfill her job functions, quite the opposite actually, so I'll need a citation for that.
Regardless of what you believe about Jessica's behavior, I personally find it very hard to believe that kicking her out, aka "the nuclear option," could be considered the optimal solution to the problem. I also don't believe all of the members still feel that it was. I think it was a costly mistake born out of greed & immaturity, and I highly suspect that at least some of them would agree. You don't go with the most self-damaging option unless you're either desperate or don't know any better, and I think it's safe to assume the matter wasn't so pressing that they were genuinely desperate to get her out of the group. That only leaves the second possibility.
Also, while it is true that SM blacklisted Jessica from Korean entertainment, the other poster is still correct that they let her go from her contract without a legal battle. In other words, they've used spiteful, likely illegal means to stifle her career since she left, but they offered no resistance to her leaving. You don't find that reason for pause? If she weren't doing her job, she would be in breach of contract, and they could have used that against her. They did not. The company that has tried its best to destroy her career after the fact felt it had no legitimate means of keeping her under its control. Just think about that.
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I don't know what caused them to make such a drastic decision. Neither do you. You asked the other person if they know that she contributed the same as the other members. Well, do you know that she didn't? Because all we have is hearsay, no solid proof of anything. I also don't recall her ever saying she was lazy and didn't fulfill her job functions, quite the opposite actually, so I'll need a citation for that.
Regardless of what you believe about Jessica's behavior, I personally find it very hard to believe that kicking her out, aka "the nuclear option," could be considered the optimal solution to the problem. I also don't believe all of the members still feel that it was. I think it was a costly mistake born out of greed & immaturity, and I highly suspect that at least some of them would agree. You don't go with the most self-damaging option unless you're either desperate or don't know any better, and I think it's safe to assume the matter wasn't so pressing that they were genuinely desperate to get her out of the group. That only leaves the second possibility.
Also, while it is true that SM blacklisted Jessica from Korean entertainment, the other poster is still correct that they let her go from her contract without a legal battle. In other words, they've used spiteful, likely illegal means to stifle her career since she left, but they offered no resistance to her leaving. You don't find that reason for pause? If she weren't doing her job, she would be in breach of contract, and they could have used that against her. They did not. The company that has tried its best to destroy her career after the fact felt it had no legitimate means of keeping her under its control. Just think about that.
Go find it yourself. She apologises to Taeyeon on Star King for not doing her part in performances and nobody wants to be on her team because shes lazy on a variety show with Lee Kyung Ku and Moon Hee Jun. Sooyung gets stuck with her and Seohyun and complains about it.
You say you don't go with the most damaging option unless you don't know any better. I say you don't go with the most damaging option unless there's real reason for it. Greed and immaturity might make sense if only the girls made the decision. The fact that Management would also go for the most damaging option as well? Since when has any company willing chosen to make less money? A decision like this, be surprising if the board wasn't aware, let alone multiple people in management.
Again, she didn't leave. They kicked her out. Why would they go after her legally? They don't need to go after her for breach of contract. They would only do that if they want money from her. They already got what they wanted by kicking her out. Have you ever flipped it and asked yourself why she didn't take them to court? Why hasn't anyone spoken up for her since? And not just SNSD, but anyone else from the industry, including other idols.
You claim that people don't know what happened behind the scenes and you are right. Yet somehow Jessica stans will take her book as the source of truth when the other side hasn't told their story yet. Have we not learned anything from the T-ara Hwayoung and AoA Mina situations? First to claim being a victim only for them to turn out to be the problem.
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I'm Team Yoona.
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Go find it yourself.
Variety shows are real life, y'all.
You say you don't go with the most damaging option unless you don't know any better. I say you don't go with the most damaging option unless there's real reason for it. Greed and immaturity might make sense if only the girls made the decision. The fact that Management would also go for the most damaging option as well? Since when has any company willing chosen to make less money? A decision like this, be surprising if the board wasn't aware, let alone multiple people in management.
How do you know management didn't let the members decide? They're the ones who had to work with her, and according to both Jessica & various inside sources, it was in fact the members (and their parents) who made the call.
Since when has any company willing chosen to make less money?
How am I suppposed to reconcile this disparity?
Also, she was kicked out of SNSD, not SM. They allowed her to leave the company voluntarily after the fact, despite having just signed a new contract. Why?
As for why Jessica didn't sue SM, you're ignoring the immense power SM wields in Korea. They could successfully sue her much more easily than the other way around, even on spurious grounds. And why did other idols not speak up? Because they don't want to be blacklisted as well, of course. You really think Krystal wouldn't have said anything if she could?
You claim that people don't know what happened behind the scenes and you are right. Yet somehow Jessica stans will take her book as the source of truth when the other side hasn't told their story yet. Have we not learned anything from the T-ara Hwayoung and AoA Mina situations? First to claim being a victim only for them to turn out to be the problem.
I couldn't care less about her book, which is a work of fiction and doesn't claim to be anything else. I'm basing my opinions on actual insider accounts of how things went down, because that's all any of us can do, since we weren't actually there to witness it.
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She said if her voice wasn't up to par, she wouldn't force herself to sing louder over the other girls for performances
I'm sorry but the Jessica lazy narrative doesn't hold up when some of those girls have gotten on stage drunk or hungover, proudly slacked off public rehearsals even worse than her to there it became a famous meme, wrote lyrics on sticky notes because they couldn't be bothered to learn it, not the mention the year she left saw some of their worst performances ever because they couldn't be bothered to care.
Jessica is somewhat sluggish as a person but she was also one of the only ones to rarely ever miss a performance and would be late to her own schedules because she prioritized SNSD
variety show with Lee Kyung Ku and Moon Hee Jun. Sooyung gets stuck with her and Seohyun and complains about it.
You're clinging to largely scripted variety shows where the guests are supposed to play up their worst attributes. There are plenty of variety stars, actors, musical actors and producers that have praised Jessica for her work ethic. Some of whom also joke about her sleeping all the time
Has anyone ever, in a serious context, called her lazy? No.
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No, I don't know what she missed but it'd have contributed to her breach of contract. Also, as long as she pulled off all the performances then I don't think it mattered.
There's more than just performances. Practices, other schedules, team meetings etc etc. Do you know that she attended all and contributed the same that the others did?
Your second paragraph doesn't make any logical sense sorry. She was kicked out of the group. That was the penalty. Massive loss of income. AFAIK she still hasn't promoted in Korea since. She absolutely got buried so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at here.
First, she herself admitted she was lazy.
She said she was voted out meaning, it wasn't just SM but her fellow members. SM and the Snsd group lost more money and fan support respectfully than Jessica did. It was reported that SM lost around $60 million when Jessica left. I'm very sure that she makes more than she did then because of her clothing line, she models more, tours now, she never toured solo while with SM and she doesn't have to lose a huge chunk of her money to a label. I believe she's in a much better position. She couldn't have done all that if she was burried unless you understand the meaning of burried differently.
Saying she didn't do things doesn't mean she was lazy.
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