Mnet deserve to be canceled for good! The way they snubbed two of the biggest female soloists is the most disrespectful thing ever!

I'm not even kidding. I never liked MAMA or MMA, both are crap, and it's about popularity anyway, but back in the day, when a popular artist won, you knew they deserve it, because they actually released a good song or album etc!

But now, it's enough to be popular on Tiktok!

Here are the full list of the winners: 2024 MAMA Awards - Wikipedia

I mean, what the hell was this IU and Taeyeon snub? IU only won "The Best Female Artist" and some stupid fan vote that 19 other Idol won as well, but Taeyeon didn't win a single Award!

How can you give IU "The Best Female Artist" Award, and nominate Taeyeon for that, but don't nominate them for AOTY, and don't give IU the SOTY, the Best MV and Best Vocal?

Don't get me wrong, I love Aespa, but there's no way in hell, Supernova is a better song than Love Wins All, and Armageddon is a better MV than LWA! Absolute JOKE!

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The Best Vocal should've given to Taeyeon or IU, not only because they did a fantastic performance, but their songs ruled the charts for months! But then again, MAMA is now an ATTENDANCE Award! Also, Teayeon should've won the Best OST as well, but everyone knew Crush will win, because Queen of Tears was a massive success!

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And I didn't mention the other winners, like:

I love Gidle, but come on: RV is clear or Davichi!

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I don't even understand this list, like at all: No, I wouldn't nominate my fave Hwasa, Sunmi or Yuqi either!

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To put simply: PAY TO WIN AWARD!

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The actual list should've been like this:

Young Posse

Babymonster

Qwer

Unis

MEOVV

ILLIT

Youngji and DO were robbed, like for real! At least give them one of these!

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I will say one thing, before fandoms losing their shit. Mnet and Melon HAVE TO rename these Award categories to:

"Best Charting Dance Performance", "Best Charting Vocal Performance", "Best Charting Album and Song", because if they do that, no one would complain!

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The only award I agree was wrong is the ArOTY that should've gone to Aespa, the others were ok like they didn't give to others out of nowhere. They had the results to win so nope, MAMA shouldn't be cancelled over 2 soloists not winning over a group that had a way bigger year than them impact wise.

They didn't have bigger impact, because both IU and Taeyeon ruled the charts for MONTHS! And IU is literally THE ONLY Kpop artist who debuted #1 on every K-chart in 2024, and STILL has the most PAK, ergo she charted longer than anyone else with 3 SONGS from the same album, btw! No one else did that!

Not to mention, her album charted even in the west, and her concert was sold-out faster than BTS and BP, and it was 100% sold-out!

The fact is that MAMA is an attendance Award now, that's why IU and Taeyeon didn't win! I'm pretty sure, everyone who won the biggest awards was there!

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LWA may have some good storyline but it is absolutely nowhere near Armageddon MV!

Armageddon MV is definitely best MV of the year! Just watch some video editor’s reactions to Armageddon MV you will be shocked how many details you have missed while watching the MV!

Armageddon MV is a masterpiece and best MV of the year!!!

When it comes to songs it is subjective! I love Love Wins All, but for me Supernova is better!

And Supernova had much bigger impact than Loves Wins All so it deserved to win SOTY

When it comes to Best vocal performance group RED Velvet got almost 0 chances to win because G idle was leading massively in that category so they won even based on predictions

I think Byeon Woo Seok should’ve won best OST(Sudden Shower)

But there were 100% judge based awards such as best choreography where judges gave the award to Supernova, and I personally think they should’ve given it to Taemin’s Guilty

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Armageddon was a VFX masterpiece, while Love Wins All was a director/cinematography masterpiece with hardly any VFX, with top-notch acting and story you can only see in movies! HUGE difference!

Not to mention, LWA is the only Kpop song that can stand on its own without the MV or without the song! No other Kpop song can do that this year, and I'm saying this while Armageddon is one of my fave song this year!

You can watch actual directors and cinematographers reacting to IU's Love Wins All, so why does it matter what some random YT reactor says. The whole Youtube were crying watching her MV.😂

Again, Supernova didn't have bigger impact, not in Korea, at least! LWA is still the longest charting #1 in 2024, and the only song that debuted #1! So, how can you say Supernova is bigger? Even UL wise there's not much difference, and the fact that LWA is a ballad, while the other is a typical pop song, says a lot!

If IU doesn't cancel the Year-End Award Shows because of her health reasons, she would've won more.

You'll see she's gonna win everything at MELON, even tho she won't go there either. MAMA loves to disrespect artists, but IU is Melon's daughter, so I will be surprised if she's not gonna win AOTY, SOTY, ArOTY and Best MV! Also, the Song Writer Award as well.

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So if they go by charts, that makes you mad

If they choose by subjective standards like quality... That also makes you mad

No, hon, MAMA was NEVER about quality! It was always about POPULARITY! Even when my faves won! The only difference is that back in the days pretty much every nominated Idol was quality!

The real problem is that people keep mentioning that: "Oh they charted better." Yeah, sure, but don't call the main categories "THE BEST", call it what it is: "MOST POPULAR" and I won't say a thing!

Mnet disrespected so many Idols and groups, even your faves, yet people always forget it if Mnet give some charity award to their faves. Half of my faves won at MAMA this year, do you see me clapping? No!

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Stop, you're taking your information from the wrong place or you aren't reading properly again.

Supernova is the longest charting #1 song in history on Melon, Genie, Circle and Vibe.

On Melon, LWA charted at #1 for 4 weeks and Supernova at #1 for 15 weeks. What are you talking about?

Hon, did you see the PAK numbers? IU has the most PAK this year, it literally means she charted for the longest! You simply can't have more PAK if your song is not on the top!

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IU is literally THE ONLY Kpop artist who debuted #1 on every K-chart in 2024, and STILL has the most PAK, ergo she charted longer than anyone else with 3 SONGS from the same album, btw! No one else did that!

You're talking about topping Melon, but I literally said "HAS THE MOST PAK", and I'm the one who don't read properly?😅 Aespa hold the #1 position on Melon for the longest, not everywhere! Big difference!

Source: Perfect All-Kill Records - KOREAN SALES

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LWA is a great MV but actually brought nothing interesting, the only good thing about the MV was the storyline

In contrary Armaggeddon really brought something interesting to analysis.

The mix between the AI artwork, 3D work, the VFX, the different plans and scenes use to make the transition between each portion of the MV smooth, the styling etc... Everything came together ( the visual teams, the styling teams, etc...) perfectly to create a true masterpiece that we would still mention in future years

Acting like Aespa doesn't deserve this award is peak delusion when tons of MV director have react to Armaggeddon and were left speechless after it

It says a lot about the quality of the MV

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WHAT? So, you're telling me a fantastic storyline, acting and directing in LWA, offered nothing?

This is like saying, a MARVEL movie is better than "The Godfather"! Be serious, please! As much as I love Armageddon, it's nothing special MV wise. It's another VFX fest SME music-video, nothing less, nothing more! Yes, it's amazing work, especially, because I know how hard it is to make a quality VFX, but LWA would be a nominated Short Film at the Oscars.

We've seen A LOT of MV's like "Armageddon", especially from SME.

Also, STOP talking about reactors! You can find hundreds of people on Youtube reacting the same way for LWA. It means nothing!

For the record: I always said, Armageddon should've been more popular than Supernova!

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Storytellint have nothing to do with MV

MV is here to be a visual representation of the concept of the group and it highlight the work of the team behind the idols

Actually funny of you talking about true artistry while spitting on the MV who try to highlight the most various type of artist going through small brand for their outfit to vfx artist, makeup artist, 3d artist, ai artist etc...

I have a lot of respect for IU as an artist but love wins all was a boring and generic mv in term of visual directing, transition, editing etc ....

It looked like the type of MV any other solo artist like seo in guk or kwill could have done

Armaggedon was by far the best MV release this year and there's no debate about it

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THIS! This is the problem with so many Kpop fans, and people in general! They think the story isn't important, it's only about THE VISUALS! Doesn't matter if we're talking about Kpop or movies! Kids nowadays don't want to and can't appreciate REAL ART!

Also: AI is NOT ART, it's a piece of GARBAGE, and shouldn't exist in the first place! There's no such thing is "AI ARTISTS"!

If anything "Armageddon" was GENERIC, not LWA! I could show you like 10 other SME or other Kpop MV's like that!

I love both IU and Aespa, but you obviously don't know anything about art, and you're biased! I'm not saying it don't deserve the nomination, but they don't deserve the won for sure!

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It uses 2 or 3 scenes of AI in MV, which equals to 2-3 seconds of the clip!

Love Wins all also has those vfx effects and such…

If you don’t understand Aespa lore then it doesn’t mean that there isn’t storyline and to win the best mv it doesn’t necessarily need to have a storyline! It says best MV which means mv with best quality and Armageddon is just much better than love wins all!

Tell any videographer or mv editor which mv is better and the answer is obvious!

And Armageddon is an artistry! Cuz they are pushing boundaries of creating more insane mvs using all kinds of technology! Those ai scenes are also done by AI artists who are credited at the end of the video!

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I'm a video editor and a sound engineer, I worked with many directors, so I approached this matter as a pro, not as a FAN!

The problem with "Armageddon" isn't the fact that they used a lot of VFX! It doesn't offer anything new, doesn't matter if you know the Aespa lore or not! Like I said: It's like a blockbuster movie!

Again: AI is NOT ART! Stop saying that!

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No. I quoted your post about Supernova having less impact and LWA charting at #1 longer than LWA. Don't try to be sly and twist what I responded to.

One extra day of a PAK doesn't make LWA more successful than Supernova.

Supernova spent longer at #1 than LWA on every single chart. Weeks longer.

What are you not comprehending?

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Hon, read my comment again! I was talking about PAK, not #1 on Melon! If it wasn't obvious to you, it's not my fault.

Actually, 1 extra MINUTE or even second would make LWA more successful! That's the whole point of the stat. It's like saying, a football team that scored 1 more goal can't be the winner, because they only score 1 more.🤣

Not to mention, IU is the ONLY artist who charted in the TOP10 with ALL of her songs on her album, and even if you look at the UL's, Aespa doesn't have a massive lead. Supernova only charted longer on MELON at #1, but that's all! You can see the stats! If Aespa charts longer than IU on every platform, they would have more PAK's you dummy! You just can't accept facts!

But here, you can see the stats if you don't believe me!

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As usual your comprehension is lacking.

The award is for song of the year. How many songs she charted has zero relevance. Its Supernova vs LWA only for Song of the Year.

Your analogy is also inaccurate. It would like a football team scoring one more goal in one game but the other team has won 10 more games in the season.

Here you go, objective stats.

Supernova is the longest charting No #1 song in HISTORY on every chart that counts for a PAK except Bugs and Youtube Weekly where it was the longest charting No#1 song in 2024.

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I'm not gonna say the same thing over and over because you're literally ignoring my point! Supernova can't be the longest charting song on EVERY PLATFORM, if they have less PAK! Never said they didn't chart longer than IU on Melon, I always said LWA had more PAK, meaning, she was the number 1 on EVERY platform for longer than Aespa! Simple math!

Also, Melon UL's at this moment:

LWA: 2,974,650

Supernova: 2,827,789

And this:

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My god, you have no idea what a PAK is. Your 'simple math' is incorrect.

A PAK means #1 on all associated charts AT THE SAME TIME.

So LWA was #1 on all charts at the same time for 14 days and Supernova was #1 on all charts at the same time for 13 days. Then Supernova spent weeks longer at #1 on EVERY platform.

Using Melon as an example,

LWA spent 31 days total at #1, and for 14 of those days LWA was also #1 on every other chart.

Supernova spent 99 days total at #1, and for 13 of those days was also #1 on every other chart.

For VIBE,

LWA spent 30 days total at #1, and for 14 of those days LWA was also #1 on every other chart.

Supernova spent 128 days total at #1, and for 13 of those days was also #1 on every other chart.

I can't fathom why you can't understand this. Is there anyone that can explain it to him in an even simpler way?

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PLEASE, stop embarrassing yourself! It's not funny anymore.

If Aespa was #1 on EVERY platform for longer than IU, they would have more PAK! If you can't understand simple math, I'm not talking to you anymore.

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As for cumulative ULs, you again can't read properly because its says IU is the first SOLO act to hit the milestone. Not first act.

In the pic Aespa is above her so no idea what you are trying to prove here.

Can you see Supernova at 3 and LWA at 4? Or you didn't read properly AGAIN.

Not to mention that LWA was released 5 months earlier than Supernova.

LWA - 50k cumulative ULs divided by 11 months of tracking is an average of around 4.5k cumulative ULs a month

Supernova - 50k cumulative ULs divided by 6months of tracking is an average of around 8.5k cumulative ULs a month

Like stop seriously.

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Again, if you can't understand simple things, stop talking.

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Love Wins All is a very average MV that relies on the star power of BTS member, Taehyung. Armageddon, on the other hand, is an aesthetic masterpiece. I would pick even Heya over LWA, as the better MV.

Dumbest shit you ever said, probably!

IU is literally the BIGGEST Kpop star, like ever! Not even BTS can beat her! To think LWA is only popular because of V, means you don't know shit about IU and Kpop in general. You must be really new to Kpop!

I don't care which MV would you pick, because you don't even know the most basic things. 😂