Out of genuine curiosity is seventeen(or you can extend this question to broader kpop as well) really that big

tbvh carats now are adults. now they can finally buy their albums.

source? i am one of them.

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FOUR million of them? 😭

i grew up with svt (i listen to them since debut, but only now i can afford their merch) and their revenue in concerts explain that carats are indeed big in number.

dontwannacry04 can explain better with stats, i guess.

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When BTS sold 4 million or whatever they had a a huge amount of YouTube views and Spotify listeners and records on Japan digital charts and Chinese charts and weibo etc

Does seventeen have that? That’s my question I guess 😭

Their cbars have ordered 1m+ for this release and their last Japanese release sold 765k+, the fourth highest ever for a kpop group.

They have have a very strong album buying base which when combined with number of versions…

Their sales has been steadily increasing and are past 3 million mark, 4 million was only the natural path following I guess

They have more Spotify streams than TxT, EXO, NCT... actually more than any Boygroup other than BTS and Stray Kids (the later is probably going to surpass 4 million eventually)

All their title tracks since 2021 has been reaching top 10 on circle digital charts, meaning as niche as Boygroup music can be they are the few who has some following in Korea. Their current unit (BSS) has a song casually charting on Melon top 15 for 2 months already

And of course their Chinese and Japanese fandoms are just huge. Their last album sold over 1 million copies in Japan alone, mind-blowing right? This number can only be reached by hyped Japanese boygroups and BTS

They are a pretty old group with no major scandals, no member left, no member in military. They just had every working for them to reach this status late in their career

So yeah, they are that popular

The eternal of who is even listening to their music but maybe that isn't the right one

It's not about the music, I can't image anybody actually buying the album but it's there unless they lie

What shocks me is not even what they are selling, but the fact they are still growing in sales to this extent after 8 years.

Younger big boygroups than them are already stagnant or are showing signs of stagnation such as NCT, The Boyz or iKON while they are selling 2M more stock pre-orders than the last standard release last year (2.2M)

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They have more Spotify streams than TxT, EXO, NCT... actually more than any Boygroup other than BTS and Stray Kids (the later is probably going to surpass 4 million eventually)

Stray Kids is already going to 5B total streams actually

The blew up in Japan a couple of years ago, and now would be even bigger there.

#2 boygroup in the world. HUGE in Japan. Kpop still doesn't seem to have hit its ceiling yet since you can still see all the sales growth with the GGs. Yeah I'm not too surprised they hit this mark lol.

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Look I can’t be the only one thinking that right 😭

Anyway this might be taken as a bashing post and I apologize in advance if that’s the case

But wtf is up with sales 😭

When BTS sold 4 million I was like yeah that makes sense. When groups started selling 1 million on average I was like yeah kpop has grown a lot

But we went from one and two million to now FOUR MILLION?

INSERT THATS ENOUGH SLICES MEME.

Is seventeen that big?

Is KPOP that big? Because if 17 can other groups will also follow in some 1-2 years when their popularity rises

But man I can’t I just can’t four million sales is going to become something that’s gonna be a thing in kpop eye- wtf 😭😭

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Finally a place I can use this Woozi laughing meme lol. (And I totally agree with you about the sales things).

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So from my perspective and my own experience, a lot of CARAT's found SVT around their highschool years, now that many of us are entering college I think we are a little more reasonable, and better when it comes to not only promoting them but buying albums.

Tbh, I don't collect albums at all, I only have 4 (1 DPR, 1 BAP, 1 BE'O and 1 Pentagon). So I'm probably not the best person to answer this but I do think album sales are definitely crazy.

With each year and each promotion, our fanbase def grows to say the least. (9M Subs on SVT's YouTube Channel and still growing)

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Stray Kids is already going to 5B total streams actually

I meant 4 million in album sales

Makes sense I guess

I mean even the top rookie group of this year allready sold 100K at debut while the top rookie from 10 years ago would've probably just be like 50K sales

everything is growing tho (except for the few acts whos company dosn't menages to promote them right)

They're big in their bubble of fans.

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They're big in their bubble of fans.

and our bubble is immense.

The thing about carats that I noticed, they are not loud about seventeen’s achievements and they don’t egg other fandoms saying their fave surpass anyone. They are just enjoying the ride. This make others assume that seventeen is average..

As for me, I’m not surprised, I’ve seen seventeen popularity rise over time. They are consistent. I’m very happy for seventeen and carats, congratulations!!

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Look I can’t be the only one thinking that right 😭

Anyway this might be taken as a bashing post and I apologize in advance if that’s the case

But wtf is up with sales 😭

When BTS sold 4 million I was like yeah that makes sense. When groups started selling 1 million on average I was like yeah kpop has grown a lot

But we went from one and two million to now FOUR MILLION?

INSERT THATS ENOUGH SLICES MEME.

Is seventeen that big?

Is KPOP that big? Because if 17 can other groups will also follow in some 1-2 years when their popularity rises

But man I can’t I just can’t four million sales is going to become something that’s gonna be a thing in kpop eye- wtf 😭😭

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If you wanna blame anyone for this lengthy block of text, you can blame xoxoshawol for summoning me here. 🫶

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and our bubble is immense.

even immense seems like an understatement, you just have to join the bubble to know just how big it really is

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K-pop has grown tremendously all over the world in these past few years, but same is true for Seventeen.

I know people who don’t keep up with Seventeen often feel shocked, especially on Western side of forums and platforms. No matter what they say, SVT has one of the most organic and steady rises in the industry. They went from 1,400 sales to 20k, to 300k, to 700k, to 1.3M, to 1.7M, to 2M, to 3M, and now 4M and counting.

The Korean industry and media just gave Seventeen a new title, “the Blue Chip,” which is insane, because they are literally implying that Seventeen has established a reputation at national level for their quality, reliability, and ability to generate immense profit regardless of good or bad economic state around them.

Everyone knows that they have a huge following in Korea, China, Japan, and SEA, but I feel like most Western fans don’t realize just how big they are. Just a few days ago, Minghao (The8), was trending 7th on China’s biggest social media platform, Weibo, with 471 million views for just stepping his foot into the country alongside big Chinese household names like Diliriba, Wang Yibo, and various other popular entertainers. Not to mention, digitally, BSS is currently the best selling K-pop act in China this year.

A month or two ago, both Hoshi and Joshua made it onto burj khalifa, and it wasn’t even their birthdays or any promotions. People just had too much money on their hands.

Seventeen fanbase is ever growing despite being 8th year into their career. Their old catalogs just moved over 1.2M copies without them moving a single finger. This is also dependent on the demographic of their fandom, which consists of a lot of older high school students, university students, and employed people. Even Korean Music Content Association (KMCA) critic created a whole YouTube video last month (YT: Seventeen Special by OK POP!) explaining and discussing their ever growing fandom and popularity, which I recommend you watch.

Their subunit, BSS, alone is going crazy on charts currently. They debuted straight into Melon Top 10, peaked at #2, and a few times they even blocked Ditto from a RAK when it was freshly released. Even on the daily kcharts, they ranked in the top 5 or top 10 (and on Genie and VIBE daily, they are the male group to breech it so far). The only boy group to have exceeded 1M ULs on melon in 2023, and as of right now it is standing near 1.8M-2M ULs with Fighting on Melon just within 2 months. They are also tied with Ditto for the song with the most music show wins in 2023. Even right now, they haven’t dropped below #15 on Melon top 100 ever since the song’s release. On Goan/Circle chart, Fighting’s digital points are steadily rising towards the 200M margin soon (for a measure, I think the song with the highest points is near 300M-400M— though feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). Even on Melon, I think Fighting is only a couple million streams behind from becoming the most streamed song on Melon in 2023.

In Japan, their subunit topped the Billboard Top 100 with their korean single, and they are the first and only act to have achieved this feat without any accompanying Japanese version. Speaking of Japan, Seventeen literally sold 1M with their J-album, and half a million for their 2022 repackage. Which is absolutely insane considering other than BTS, who’s hitting these numbers? They are also scheduled to play stadiums in Japan this year (more information is yet to be revealed, but it’s most likely the Nissan Stadium or Japan’s National Stadium, which will make them the 2nd act in K-pop history to do so).

Their streaming isn’t bad at all either, as they are the 3rd most streamed boy group and 5th most streamed group overall with 3.3B streams. Hot did exceptionally well last year on both YT and Spotify streams, so it’s expected this comeback will receive even better results. Even Melon, Seventeen has already raked over 100M streams without a single sound this year. I feel like I don’t even have to delve into their tour numbers, because near 600k attendance with just 27 dates just speak for themselves.

Even Going Seventeen, their variety show has been very popular amongst the general public of Korea, and funnily, it literally has its own separate fanbase known as the Cubics. The government even promoted it in Korean embassies last year to promote tourism and culture. A lot of critics and journalists this year have also talked about the show’s success, and how much it gets sponsored by various brands. Not to mention, so many GoSe ads and posters are scattered across Seoul as of right now due to their Don’t Lie series becoming a fan favourite.

In fact, two months ago, there was random play dance done in mall, and the minute Going Seventeen’s theme song came on, people literally went feral— again, over a 10 second theme song.

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Recently, for their up coming, FML album promotions, they opened up “Seventeen Street,” on April 8 at artificial islands located in the Han River, known as Sebit Island, and in just less than 4 days the island has recorded over 50,000 visitors (the numbers have probably doubled by now). This event marked Sebit Island’s first in history of visitors.

It’s only fair, with all this success they are experiencing, they were bound to achieve 4M preorders. They haven’t been ranking high on the IFPI for the past two consecutive years for nothing now.

I could keep going about how successful they have gotten, but then I would go on forever.

Moral of the story, Seventeen is just THAT big.

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I knew I could count on you!

im honestly not surprised at all.

They are the 2nd biggest boygroup afterall. They are one of handful BG that can chart decently + they have huge chinese+japanese support.

If anyone were to do 4mil, it will either be Seventeen or BP (much harder for GGs to be honest, 3 mil is already good enough)

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The thing about carats that I noticed, they are not loud about seventeen’s achievements and they don’t egg other fandoms saying their fave surpass anyone. They are just enjoying the ride. This make others assume that seventeen is average..

As for me, I’m not surprised, I’ve seen seventeen popularity rise over time. They are consistent. I’m very happy for seventeen and carats, congratulations!!

I guess you haven't seen my posts yet

If GGs can manage to sell over 2M copies now, it's really not surprising big BGs can reach double numbers tbh. Maybe because it's the same number as BTS's biggest album makes you think it's too big of a number but BTS hit that number before the pandemic and since then they haven't released any albums with more than 3 versions. Proof which is an anthology album with only 2 versions and hella expensive. If BTS have normal albums roll-outs as other BGs now, they would definitely hit much bigger number than that record.

That being said, SVT also have big Chinese and Japanese fandoms where people bulk buy albums the most. They also have 2-3 frequent comebacks every year so they can grow the numbers gradually plus very good promos. And now that BTS have to enlist, Hybe are definitely pushing them to have that best selling album title.

I also predict EXO's comeback is gonna do numbers later because they're also one of those BGs with established fanbases all over Asia but we'll see.

They concentrated on SEA and China, who contribute a lot to album sales. Two regions that BTS doesn't really focus on anymore.

They are very popular in countries where fans are known for buying albums

They can do 1M+ each in Japan, China, Korea

then 1M in SEA and the rest of the world

So 4M makes sense

I know nothing about sales and charts, but from what I watch from 4th gen contents, seventeen is one of the groups that they looked up upon. Na PD also acknowledge their variety show skills, meaning that they might had numerous viral funny clips in Korea.

Maybe they don't seem to be big to us because outside media only have many post for the biggest group only.

Like seventeen might not be the #1, but they are might be on the top 5 or top 10.

Also oomf sells kpop merch and she got many orders for seventeen stuff (we lived outside korea)

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I wish I could say any of the things listed here justifies 4 million but it really doesn’t. These are achievements for a successful kpop group no doubt. But nothing here is so extra ordinary that I can be convinced they can shoot up to 4 million.

With these type of stats in my head kpop groups can get like 2-2.5mil sales. More than that well. Idk where the numbers are coming from. Doesn’t mean it’s not legitimate just that I don’t understand where the numbers are coming from in my head lol.

Honestly, that could be said about 1M and 2M sales benchmarks as well that Kpop groups are achieving, and then we all can sit here all day grasping at straws. Though, I get where you’re coming from. However, it’s not that these achievements “justify” their 4M preorder sales, rather it broadens one’s perspective and view on how rapidly they are growing their fanbase and how big they’ve gotten. It’s an indication of their success and growth. There is a reason, Cj&EM had their eyes set on Seventeen, but luckily, Hybe managed to acquire them first.