I heard they officialy announced Boys Planet 999 for February 2023 [and I'm concerned]

I don't get why they are even doing a guys version to G999.

That show pretty much flopped, but Kep1er as a group is profitable. So, I suppose the cost of the show flopping is outweighed by the potential for possible physical sales.

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I don't get why they are even doing a guys version to G999.

That show pretty much flopped, but Kep1er as a group is profitable. So, I suppose the cost of the show flopping is outweighed by the potential for possible physical sales.

the vast majority of survival shows are hardly profitable by themselves. when produce was at its peak, the show itself had tons of sponsors and sponsorships. but with company run survival shows the resulting group's profits are what cover the cost of the show and planet 999 is in that category since mnet essentially lost produce's brand power. kepler is under wakeone which is under cjemn.

honestly is debatable how profitable kepler is overall, but mnet will never stop trying to create an even bigger group the next go around.

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Well this will flop much harder if they end up having Lapone's trainees, I can allready smell it, because many of their fans don't like the thoughts of them probably apearing there

I read a lot BS rumors many months ago on possible apearing people and jesus if any of the named dudes apears from the rumor I saw back than than this will be Fd... I remember that how half of the named people were already idols in groups from Japan, Korea and for China the rumored dudes were mostly actors or former survival show participants. Also Mnet would shoot themself in the foot if anyone of these people would apear since I remember from the rumor that some Korean and Japanese names allready apeard on Produce 101 Japan season 1 + 2 and Produce X (the worst rumored names were people who literally won on Produce Japan since hello, they do not need to apear when they won somewhere else by now)

Are these people who are already in a group?

If so, I'd get why they would be upset at that since no way they would be able to promote in 2 groups during the same time.

If these are trainees with no group, then I kinda get sending them on this show.

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the vast majority of survival shows are hardly profitable by themselves. when produce was at its peak, the show itself had tons of sponsors and sponsorships. but with company run survival shows the resulting group's profits are what cover the cost of the show and planet 999 is in that category since mnet essentially lost produce's brand power. kepler is under wakeone which is under cjemn.

honestly is debatable how profitable kepler is overall, but mnet will never stop trying to create an even bigger group the next go around.

Well, they consistently sell 300k+ on every mini, which just 2 years ago would have had them amongst the top of most GGs, so I'd say they are pretty profitable. They sell more than most mid-tier GGs. Also more than IOI and IZ*ONE (initially).

They also have a decent size Japanese fanbase, so they can definitely tour there successfully. If they sell like that consistently, I think MNET wouldn't do any worse than they probably did for Produce 101. Most of these temporary groups seem like a money grab tbh. Kep1er's sales have been on a slight decline, so I don't think they will match IZ*ONE. But, they will only last 2 more years, and I don't think their decline will be significant enough for them to bring in less than IOI.

I hate Mnet

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Well, they consistently sell 300k+ on every mini, which just 2 years ago would have had them amongst the top of most GGs, so I'd say they are pretty profitable. They sell more than most mid-tier GGs. Also more than IOI and IZ*ONE (initially).

They also have a decent size Japanese fanbase, so they can definitely tour there successfully. If they sell like that consistently, I think MNET wouldn't do any worse than they probably did for Produce 101. Most of these temporary groups seem like a money grab tbh. Kep1er's sales have been on a slight decline, so I don't think they will match IZ*ONE. But, they will only last 2 more years, and I don't think their decline will be significant enough for them to bring in less than IOI.

i just don't believe good album sales alone is enough to say a group is profitable. the real money in kpop is in sponsorships and touring, and kepler has the worst sponsor rate of the pd101 groups. an they havent toured yet other than like one japanese fanmeet. thats my only hesitance in saying they made back the money that was spent on gp999.

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i just don't believe good album sales alone is enough to say a group is profitable. the real money in kpop is in sponsorships and touring, and kepler has the worst sponsor rate of the pd101 groups. an they havent toured yet other than like one japanese fanmeet. thats my only hesitance in saying they made back the money that was spent on gp999.

Idols are the ones who make the most out of touring and sponsorships. The company makes the bulk of their money from sales. Which is what I am referring to. I still think MNET will make a profit. Will the girls? Not sure about that.

And Kep1er will definitely tour at least once before they disband. But, we can agree to disagree.

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Idols are the ones who make the most out of touring and sponsorships. The company makes the bulk of their money from sales. Which is what I am referring to. I still think MNET will make a profit. Will the girls? Not sure about that.

And Kep1er will definitely tour at least once before they disband. But, we can agree to disagree.

just want to say, in my experience following bts, it is estimated that the company makes the most from touring too (at least big hit was). the company gets a nice chunk of the money for everything the idol does so profitable for idol = profitable for company. but i get your point

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just want to say, in my experience following bts, it is estimated that the company makes the most from touring too (at least big hit was). the company gets a nice chunk of the money for everything the idol does so profitable for idol = profitable for company. but i get your point

Depends on the contract you sign. That is most common in 360 deals, which I would imagine most KPOP artists at big labels will sign. But the record label only gets a percentage. That percentage is usually lower than what they would get from album sales. Typically it is some like 80% goes to the label for album sales while with tours it is something like 50%/60% (I would assume if the label is the one that funded the tour with no initial profits and the artist has a debt like KPOP artist typically do.).

KPOP is a bit different in that artists sign 7 year contracts and the company needs to be recouped for the training expenses (years worth) and promotions before the artist starts to make a profit. Which is probably why Big Hit did at some point make more for touring. I doubt that is the case now since BTS has resigned and probably reworked their percentages (with a good legal team).

So, we can apply that to Kep1er as well, but not exactly, since CJENM never had them as trainees. So, it really depends on how the contracts are negotiated between the Kep1er members and their home agencies and CJENM. Either way, the percentages for what record labels get for touring is generally lower than the percentage they make for album sales. This is just in general. It all comes down to the contracts.

Edit: Also to add, if Kep1er is already making a profit before the tour, then part of that revenue could be used to fund a tour for them (which could make them more susceptible to better percentages), but at this point, they have already signed their contracts so those numbers are set.