When will kpop fans accept that idols align with capitalist more than humanitarian activism?

Agree

True. Let's enjoy entertainment as what it is: entertainment. Made to entertain us from our grey lives lol.

I mean I don’t give af. But some fans were just so loud about how their favs were in fact more woke and humanitarian and better than everyone else. You can’t be preaching peace and love and not expect criticism when you….do something that’s in direct contradiction to that. Ofc people were going to call you out what did you think was going to happen. 😭

It’s less about the act and more about the hypocrisy I think at this point.

Like I know SM is shit. No two ways about it and I know kpop is also shit. But some people lived in a dreamland and I guess their dreams came crashing down and that’s honestly funny to watch from the side lines.

Never, as long as fans hold idols in the highest possible pedestal and refuse to them in any sort of different(realistic) way. Even if their ideals fall in line with some of these, the purpose for their actions is different.

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Could be, but are they humanitarian as the kpop fandoms like promote them to be?

If it is, then what's the point of being passionate about a cause when your actions doesn't reflect it?

As a whole kpop is a capitalist industry, idols only play within its rules.

We also need to understand that idols have two personas: their public persona and their private persona. They have contracts, and they might have to fullfill duties that they're not 100% agreeing with. I'm talking in general.

A lot of idols are known for donating money to good causes, but we don't know if they do it for clout or because they're really commited to it. But at least they do it, and they can choose which causes they support and which not.

Well Kpop companies are not NGOs in the first place.

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What I'm saying is that their direct personal interest aka bank account number is aligned with capitalist ideals not humanitarian benefits.

What they donate is a very small portion compare to what they earn.

That's true, they won't donate 80% of what they have, that will never happen but why would I care? I would do the same to be honest. Its not one person or one group of people's responsibility to save the world. But we all do what we can with the means we have.

Most fans know this but a few will use it to drag idols they don't like. That I don't agree with. Stop using serious issues to drag others because it trivializes it.

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We also need to understand that idols have two personas: their public persona and their private persona. They have contracts, and they might have to fullfill duties that they're not 100% agreeing with. I'm talking in general.

A lot of idols are known for donating money to good causes, but we don't know if they do it for clout or because they're really commited to it. But at least they do it, and they can choose which causes they support and which not.

This. I don’t expect idols to save everyone and everything on the planet. But most do a lot of giving to causes close to them, putting their money to use for children, education, arts, music. I know BTS members give regularly to their hometown schools, they recently helped with the terrible flooding in SK. JHope made a contribution to cancer research and wore a shirt to promote breast cancer awareness. I am sure many idols do give their time and money privately without fanfare.

you too. me too. all of us.

everyone is talking about human rights violations and everyone buys products made in china which is everything. try to boycott chinese products, you wouldn't be able to buy anything, there would be barely anything left.

everyone consumes american entertainment content despite the us' killings of millions of middle easterners; MILLIONS, just because they could and because they felt like it. nobody got punished for it and sadly they never will. and they dare to talk about human rights. they don't care about human rights.

people aren't slightly bothered by their crimes. whenever people talk about human rights violations they never mention the us which is fascinating. i guess we are so used to them doing it that we forgot about it; it's the norm.

there's no such thing as human rights. there's only money

I’ve always found it hilariously ironic when fans live vicariously through their idols as being humanitarian or supposedly standing up those less fortunate or whatever which somehow gives them moral superiority all the while the fans themselves are using expensive phones built cheap labour, wearing branded fashion produced with cheap labour, spending their money on idols albums which is just CDs + pictures instead of donating to those in need, wasting lots of food, using lots of plastics and all the rest.

It’s even more ironic as in most cases the Celebes themselves ar often doing the same things as fans while preaching about something

Not the thread taking a different turn kkkkkkkk

The thing is: kpop fans are now using these cute "my faves are fighters and survivors fighting for the human rights. They are the salvation we need and your faves suck, they are trash capitalist" when in reality majority of these moves are done with money in mind. Everything is for a better image that turns into more opportunities that turns into money.

Nobody is perfect, we all suck, but no need to act like your idol is the better human being when the kpop industry (like every other industry) is MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY above everything.

I mean they are entertainers, their joy is in performing, but they are obligated by contract to perform where their company sees fit. Unless the idol has the higher power in these decisions, no one can not perform and face no consequence...

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Yeah the purpose is not to say there is no good in idols

It's about what industry's purpose aligns with

Like someone in oil and gas industry can't be human rights champion

Yes!

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I agree but that still means their interests are aligned with capitalism

If all they wanted to do was performing with no care about financial side, they could be indie artists or just youtubers

Yes sure, but it is not wrong for them to be aligned with capitalism. Idols are people that need to work, they are not behind the tables making the laws or have any political say in these matters

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Never said it's wrong of them.

Just that as fans we have accept they are more Bezoz than Ghandi

Yeah thats true

This is one big downside of the "idol" image. They can't do everything right they are not angles lmao, but fans would not like to burst the bubble I guess

Dalai Lama is a CIA asset and a fake Marxist who accepted $1 million to endorse child sex trafficking cult NXIVM. That fraud would do anything for money.

The way Rome was ahead of It's time with bread and circuses