I believe, trust Mingyu is innocent

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    (Hello, I was absent in past weeks because I was at grandparents house, now I returned and want to share my opinions about Mingyu's situation)


    For the past 6 years as following Mingyu I think Mingyu is such a nice, kindhearted person. He always being kind, thoughtful, sincere towards to people that around him. I


    Right now I am very worried, sad, sorry, angry about how his clean image and his 6 years old career and all his hardwork damaged, ruined, harmed because fake allegations, mistranslations and people are saying bad things, insults, swearing, sending death threads to him. I think he doesn't deserve it.


    As a lawyer I learned at law faculty that "innocent until proven guilty" but kpop fans saying that you should always believe the victim. No, I think you should believe the truth. That's why you should wait to see the accurate proofs, 2 sides explanation and should a objective judgement after that. Mingyu even doesn't have to prove innocence. The person who claim he is guilty should prpve it. I think people just want to give hate to idols. So that's why they don't listen fans even they say the truth and call them stupid, blind, delulu fangirls.


    The person that claim she is a victim of Mingyu (op1) said that Mingyu was just making sexual jokes among his friends that didn't targeted to her but it made her uncormfartable, and she doesn't remember clearly but someone was drawing to board something sexual, Mingyu might have been participate it, And Mingyu was telling op1 to shut up.


    If Mingyu was really rude to OP1 (by telling her shut up) I think he should apologise for it. It is so wrong. But I don't see as a 13 years old, talking about sexual jokes among your friends without targeting anyone is a career ending wrong doing. I was also sometimes talk with my friends like that in that ages.


    She talked about how her own traumas about how she bullied by other students and her psychotherapy records. She said Mingyu is not the main reason of her theraphys. Also even she mention Mingyu in her medical records it still doesn't prove Mingyu is a bully. Because it is still just her own claims. I can literally say Obama killed my mother in my theraphy sessions. And it doesn't automatically prove that Obama is killer of my mom.


    Another classmate (op2) claimed that op1 falsely accused op2 that she bullied op1, op1 has a victim complex, she couldn't attend her dream school because of it, her life, future ruined, Mingyu wasn't bully op1, mingyu was leaving the class when students were talking about sexual jokes because he was feeling uncormfartable, also Mingyu was saying shut up to everyone, it was just a light joke that noone feel offended about it. Op2 also shared her own medical records about how op1 wrongly accused her being a bully of op1.


    After that op1 changed her statement about sexual drawing on board and said Mingyu didn't draw them, just was watching it.


    I think op1 is just used Mingyu's name to get attention to her own bullying problems. She mentioned the people who bullied her. But because she used Mingyu's name in it and because of an user on twitter translated it as Mingyu did all the bullying actions to her Mingyu, people mistaken as Mingyu is guilty for this.


    About other, allegations, there are many classmates of Mingyu that defended him, said Mingyu was a good person, also his company confirmed that Mingyu never bullied a disabled kid by asking to disabled kid's mother. Also allegation about Mingyu touched a boy's chest was from same person too. That person got caught by commenting to their own post by supporting their claims as someone else. Also they couldn't provide any proof beside some fake kakaochat talks that claim Mingyu was a bully and saying they were from another school but heard it from the friends that attend the same school. So i think that was completly fake, baseless.


    Unfortunetly because of this people always remember Mingyu as a bully, it will follow his name forever and if he loose his beautiful smile and joy because of it I will be very sad. I want to see him active, happily doing the job that he truely loves. I hope the truth come out soon.

  • It is funny how you dragged other idols like Irene when there wasn’t any confirmation by anyone but have thousand excuses why your own faves couldn’t be it. I am not saying that mingyu is a perpetrator but you are far from factuality. It’s better to stay neutral and not get too deep into idols in general

  • It is funny how you dragged other idols like Irene without any confirmation by anyone but have thousand excuses why your own faves couldn’t be it. I am not saying that mingyu is a perpetrator but you are far from factuality


    I talked about Irene after she confirmed by her ownself. Also didn't you read that part that I wrote


    "If Mingyu was really rude to OP1 (by telling her shut up) I think he should apologise for it. It is so wrong."


    I don't defend if Mingyu was rude to that person, I think he should apologise for it just as how I criticised Irene.


    However people call Mingyu falsely as a sexual assaulter, rapist without any proof as it proven he is guilty. I am not lying, giving excuses about it. I am just defending by pointing out the facts.

  • Sadly the old forum isn’t there anymore but I know that you talked about her before it was confirmed since it was my own thread and I have read everything and it was before it blew up (akp forum crash) No one actually named her.


    I get that a lot of people accuse him

    due to the mistranslation and that is not okay in any way and I respect your opinion but you are using the facts that are in your favor. None of it are facts. They are just witness testimonies and not facts. I am waiting for Pledis or anyone else who can put out a detailed summary instead of biased testimonies who are in a favor of noone

  • Sadly the old forum isn’t there anymore but I know that you talked about her before it was confirmed since it was my own thread and I have everything and it was before it blew up. No one actually named her.


    I get that a lot of people accuse him

    due to the mistranslation and that is not okay in any way and I respect your stance in it

    I swear the God, (if I lie about it I wish death for me in 1 month) I started to comment after Irene's apology, before that I was just reading the forum. You are just lying about me.


    And you are saying I am not neutral and far from factuality but as I said in my thread none of the things I mentioned are lies, all of them the facts. If you have not enough knowledge you can check it out from here:



    https://mobile.twitter.com/REN…tatus/1364989391907614728


    https://mobile.twitter.com/REN…tatus/1366301852732514307


    https://mobile.twitter.com/REN…tatus/1366845220659228677


    But please don't use your hate againts me just because I critised Irene to defame Mingyu. it really brokes my heart to see it.

  • Sadly the old forum isn’t there anymore but I know that you talked about her before it was confirmed since it was my own thread and I have read everything and it was before it blew up (akp forum crash) No one actually named her.


    I get that a lot of people accuse him

    due to the mistranslation and that is not okay in any way and I respect your opinion but you are using the facts that are in your favor. None of it are facts. They are just witness testimonies and not facts. I am waiting for Pledis or anyone else who can put out a detailed summary instead of biased testimonies who are in a favor of noone

    Oh gawd that thread was legendary I don't think you will be surpassed anytime soon unless it's some super big ass scandal by a top 5 group

  • Anyways I just wanted share my own opinion because I saw many unfair comments on twitter and it made me so angry, I have only this account to express my opinion on internet.


    I don't plan to stay at new forum, also talking about this situation is not good for my mental health because there are many stupid, bad, mean kpop fans that might hurt me. I am so sensitive for it. And I am sad to see people are being shady towards to me and Mingyu right now with a fastly 180 degree turn by easily believing every anon, fake thing that they heard on internet without seeing any proof and using their brain but I hope you won't be regretful tomorrow when the truth comes out.


    Just log in to share this thread, I will log out after that. So bye bye to everyone.

  • you are using the facts that are in your favor. None of it are facts. They are just witness testimonies and not facts.

    How is witness testimonies are not facts when they are used at court as proof?


    In this situation I think the most trustable proofs are their classmates testimonies.


    Also it is not logical you are take op1's claim's in her testimony as fact as it is already prove Mingyu was a bully but you disagree the claims/testimony of another student op2 that claim she was a victim of op1. Isn't it equal? Burden of proof in here on allegedly victim. Not Mingyu. And her only proof is her documents that prove she attended same school, hakwon with Mingyu, and her theraphy records which is barely mention Mingyu and she can easily manipulate, lie in it too.

  • Funnily I have all the information needed about this (and as far as I am concerned I am for no one and waiting for more information, so neither in favor or against mingyu) but these are far from facts and funny how you say that I am lying. As I said I was the one who started this thread and some people even called us out for judging at that time, so. But we can agree to disagree.

    I do not hate seventeen. I criticize you. I listened to seventeen since they debuted, so stop with the you are an anti agenda. I might not be a stan but I am far from a hater. I am just criticizing your bias which you made public on a public forum. I do not mean that personally in any sense since I do not know you personally. I am just commenting on the thread that you posted.

  • Funnily I have all the information needed about this (and as far as I am concerned I am for no one and waiting for more information, so neither in favor or against mingyu) but these are far from facts and funny how you say that I am lying. As I said I was the one who started this thread and some people even called us out for judging at that time, so. But we can agree to disagree.

    I do not hate seventeen. I criticize you. I listened to seventeen since they debuted, so stop with the you are an anti agenda. I might not be a stan but I am far from a hater. I am just criticizing your bias which you made public on a public forum. I do not mean that personally in any sense since I do not know you personally. I am just commenting on the thread that you posted.


    Look I didn't comment before Irene confirmed it. I am telling to truth. If you say I am lying then prove it. Now I tried to checked it out that thread but I couldn't find it. I wish I could prove it but I guess the thread is gone.


    You are still insisting, blaiming me. I guess it iso so easy for blame people for the things that they didn't huh?


    And in about Mingyu can you point it out which of my saying is far from the truth, lying?

  • Look I didn't comment before Irene confirmed it. I am telling to truth. If you say I am lying then prove it. Now I tried to checked it out that thread but I couldn't find it. I wish I could prove it but I guess the thread is gone.


    You are still insisting, blaiming me. I guess it iso so easy for blame people for the things that they didn't huh,?

    And in about Mingyu can you point it out which of my saying is far from the truth, lying?

    You can’t find it since the old forum was deleted but I would have posted screenshots if It was on. So I still stand by my statement.


    Also towards the Mingyu part, how can you prove that those are not lies or that anyone is lying? What am I saying is that even if they might be right, there is no 100% certainty. It is statement against statement basically. These are testimonies not conclusive evidence so out of the nature of these I am staying neutral in neither denying nor accepting any of the allegations. The only part which was confirmed fake was the bullying of the disabled kid but Pledis still hasn’t addressed all the controversies. Also I have never claimed that you are lying. I just said that you have a bias which is shown that you support mingyu even if his innocence is at this moment uncertain. Stop twisting my words

  • You are a disgusting liar.

    Getting personal aren’t we? Also it wasn’t only Irene. I could also remember Chanyeol where there still isn’t any confirmation


    Edit: I will refrain from answering this thread since this will obviously end in a fight. So agree to disagree. I do not mean anything personally since I do not know you so please refrain from personal attacks

  • Getting personal aren’t we? Also it wasn’t only Irene. I could also remember Chanyeol where there still isn’t any confirmation


    You are lying and calling me a liar, of course I will take it personal.


    Chanyeol? Huh? I defended Chanyeol that I said I don't think he is not a cheater. And everybody bashed me for it.


    For Irene, I intentionally wait for an official confirmation, before that I just read the thread, when I woke up next day it was confirmed already confirmed as my country's timezone. I remember clearly in that thread some other Irene fans were really angry to me that I critise here, saying same thing that I started to make comments before it is confirmed. In that time I also tried to defend myself. I also remember you first defended me said " she really didn't make any comment before that." But then you started to get angry to my comments to me because you didn't critise other idols about same kind of rumors like that last year.


    I AM SAYING AGAIN I DIDN'T DO IT


    IF I AM LYING ABOUT THIS FROM GOD I AM WISHING THE MOST PAINFULL, SAD LIFE FOR ME.


    AND I AM NOT SAYING I AM INNOCENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROVE OTHERWISE, I AM SAYING THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO IT.


    I wish I could prove that I am really telling the truth but it is not possible.




    Also don't dismiss the things that I said about Mingyu just because I love him.


    I am not trying to lie, manipulate people.

  • As I said agree to disagree (also the same logic works vice-versa so ...?) and I do not intend to convince you. This is a public forum, where you and I can express our opinions and call out things. Nothing is manipulative or anything. I do not even get what you want to say but any way I am out of this thread adios

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