RE: "Kpop still flops hard in the US. Why?"

it that was the case that ballad and that collab would have done well too no?

why it didn't?

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Currently, Americans only have capacity for one mainstream Asian act at a time. Right now, it's BTS.

It's sad how many different "groups" you could substitue for "Asian act." Like when only one black female rapper could be popular at any given time.

But yeah, "kpop" has never collectively been popular within the States.

To this day, I still hear my local radio stations sometimes play older One Direction songs, but I haven’t heard them play either BTS’ Dynamite or Butter for over a year.

What’s up with that?

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it that was the case that ballad and that collab would have done well too no?

why it didn't?

My Universe was a successful collab, wdym? Charted on Hot 100 for over 15 weeks. It is even a Grammy frontrunner.

Jungkook's collab is also about to spend its 12th week on Hot 100.

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it that was the case that ballad and that collab would have done well too no?

why it didn't?

Notice how blinks can find every excuse in the book to defend their favs flop songs but when other groups have legit reasons why a song doesn't do as well, they get brave and drag said groups/songs. Like look in the mirror for once. I am actually surprised army on allkpop haven't given your girls the same treatment a few in your fandom here have given BTS (and encouraged) since they released their hiatus song/album.

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My Universe was a successful collab, wdym? Charted on Hot 100 for over 15 weeks. It is even a Grammy frontrunner.

Jungkook's collab is also about to spend its 12th week on Hot 100.

I mean their last collab

bc army been saying august is a dry month, there is no competition

if that collba was release in august too why it didn't do well if it was all weak?

As someone that lives in the U.S, most people have heard about kpop, but not many can name a lot of groups and it's usually limited to BTS and Blackpink.

But that doesn't mean kpop is something no one knows in the U.S, my new friend is a kpop fan(seventeen, bp, etc), another one is a carat(seventeen+listens to others) I know someone who's an army, one of my friends is a stray, recently someone came up to me and asked if I was doing the pv dance when I was doing the dance in gym class.

And BTS is a big name and they come up when there's something music related(guess the song, dyna came up). Wouldn't trust radio as a main measure of popularity though lol.

It's def a growing genre with a lot of potential.

Most of kpop acts are not even aiming US success aggressively, catering toward their audience or actively promoting their. They just target US as one of many other markets, rather than directly aiming it. Why is it a surprise that they are not mainstream in US?

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My Universe was a successful collab, wdym? Charted on Hot 100 for over 15 weeks. It is even a Grammy frontrunner.

Jungkook's collab is also about to spend its 12th week on Hot 100.

You can't be reasonable with any blinks on here. Their double standards in judging others for the same thing that is happening to their favs should be a talent at this point. And as long as allkpop hates army more than they care to admit on here, no one will call out the blinks who cry wolf all the time but are okay dragging others in the name of "feminism. "But if we call their girls flops, make threads upon threads about them being in their flop era like they've done with ON and YTC, we are misogynistic and don't like to see women thrive.

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I mean their last collab

bc army been saying august is a dry month, there is no competition

if that collba was release in august too why it didn't do well if it was all weak?

Have you seen its music video? Have you seen its promo? Armys do not eat up every song BTS throws at us unlike what some think, if most Armys did not like Snoop's verse why would gp? Its not even an Ot7 song but a sub unit song.

It still had a 5 week run on Hot 100, peaked at 10 and reached top 30 on US radio. Not a bad run for a song you are trying to pass off as a flop when you compare it to every other Kpop song released by everyone else this year. Bad decisions is the highest peaking song on Hot 100 by a Kpop artist this year.

Now if you want to argue more about BTS' popularity in US, I can bring some concert data.

It comes across as sad to me, or even sort of xenophobic the way people on here seem to judge the merit of an artist or group based on their presence in the U.S.

Americans will consume anything if it's marketed properly, by the way. So if anything, something being popular here is usually more of a signal of its low quality.

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It comes across as sad to me, or even sort of xenophobic the way people on here seem to judge the merit of an artist or group based on their presence in the U.S.

Americans will consume anything if it's marketed properly, by the way. So if anything, something being popular here is usually more of a signal of its low quality.

so, by correlation, kpop not popular = high quality?

I wish ticket prices for kpop concerts would flop too…BP prices are killing me right now

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so, by correlation, kpop not popular = high quality?

In my opinion, high consumption in the U.S. usually signifies low quality. And vice versa, high quality content won't always result in low quality consumption. There are some exemptions - I like BTS, and their music is popular here, but they're a unique case. I don't personally think K-Pop is generally of high quality.

The US market is the largest and has many possibilities. I don't necessary agree that the US can only have 1 token KPOP act at the time. For me, the ultimate measure of success in the US is a combination of tour, size of fandom, physical sales, streams, and level of exposure e.g., TV shows/pop culture etc.

Even if you are a niche act, you can still be super successful because the US market is that big. I agree with ArmyBlinkOnce0 that there are many fans of KPOP in the US (from across age groups -- certain age groups may only like a particular group etc.), which is why we see so many groups still tour in the US and distribute their albums in Walmart, Target, etc. You can see an increase of YT reactors expanding their KPOP selection too -- before they may just check out BTS or BP but lately I see them checking out new groups, older groups based on their likings or recommendations. The US interest is there but to do well, you'll have to build a fanbase. I think some groups are doing that - I see groups like Dreamcatcher doing a concert in KY == that is pretty cool.

Radio requires some industry support and charting requires a large fanbase to buy the music in addition to streaming.

I still have hopes for Twice will at least regularly enter BB Hot 100 similar to Psy or BP. Manifesting decent US success