Starship kicked JYP out of Big3 like YG did DSP
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But Twice, Itzy and Stray Kids are million sellers now. GOT7 would probably be by now too if JYP wasn't in their feelings.....
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Thing with YG is that they released top group after top group.... top tier groups like BigBang, 2NE1, BP....and groups that have done well on digitals like iKON & Winner. People have anticipated every group from them since then. Starship only has IVE and lbr no one was checking for them because of the company.
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Thing with YG is that they released top group after top group.... top tier groups like BigBang, 2NE1, BP....and groups that have done well on digitals like iKON & Winner. People have anticipated every group from them since then. Starship only has IVE and lbr no one was checking for them because of the company.
The disrespect to Sistar.
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The disrespect to Sistar.
indeed
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Change the title from Starship to Kakao and i'll believe you.
Kakao's lineup could be considered the best in Kpop, the only thing they're lacking is an extreme 2M selling BG .
MonstaX
The Boys
Dude Kakao does not influence Starship as a company idk why you insist on that? Starship is considered an independent label.
Starship Entertainment is an entertainment company founded by Kim Shi-dae in 2008. In 2013, Kakao M (formerly LOEN Entertainment) acquired 70% shares of Starship, became a majority owner of the label and making Starship as an independent subsidiary of Kakao M.[3]
QuoteStarship's main management will not be altered, allowing it to maintain its inherent character and operate as an independent label system. At the same time, we plan on creating a synergy between these two companies through high quality content production and marketing cooperation with Loen's existing labels.
Even in the future, Loen wants to offer extensive opportunities to agencies and producers who are widely competent in continuous production."
Many fans may be relieved to find out that this business acquisition should not greatly affect Starship's unique style, at least according to the above report.
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Not even slightly. I'd say big 3 has to have anticipation and consistency. Lets be real, Starship catches lightning in a bottle every now and again but isn't able to produce hype just by releasing a group.
They also had post produce idols with WJSN but didn't manage to capitalise on it, no-one paid attention to cravity's debut. They had two duo's under them I'd never heard of and Boyfriend who seem to have done pretty well in Japan but I've barely heard of.
JYP always has attention on them. Wonder girls was huge, Miss A got a daesang on debut, Twice is well Twice nuff said, Itzy got rookie grand slam and whilst O.O didn't do amazing, they sold 60k just with the name JYP's next gg, doesn't that say something about how people see JYP? Hype is created just from the idea of them dropping a new GG.
JYP may not have huge hype for BG's, but they have had huge ones and managed to recreate that success consistently. They had GOD, Rain, 2PM, 2AM, and Got7. Stray kidz is also a huge success, though not from debut like the ones before them. JYP may not have built the same hype when people hear of JYP's next BG is debuting, partially thanks to how overwhelming the success of their GG's tend to be, but they don't have a single BG that has struggled in earning.
They also don't seem to have hype built in for bands, but again, that kind of hype is what comes when you have a long history of success with a certain kind of group, JYP doesn't have that for bands, but Starship doesn't have that for ANY kind of group and without that they can't even think about replacing JYP.
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Change the title from Starship to Kakao and i'll believe you.
Kakao's lineup could be considered the best in Kpop, the only thing they're lacking is an extreme 2M selling BG .
MonstaX
The Boys
I thought BEP partnered with CJ ENM and not Kakao.. check it.
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I think it is YG which is more at risk of being kicked out of Big league than JYP.
Blackpink is basically their only viable group. BB - are pretty much retired and no other groups worth mention.
Whereas JYP has Twice, Itzy, SKZ all doing decently well, even if not the top tier.
YG has nothing happening with 4th gen or BGs, etc,
Yes SM and Hybe are the most stable at this point.
HYBE: NJ a massive hit, LSF potentially, Txt/Enhyphen - ok, SVT strong and F_9 middling. - all excluding BTS.
The key is whether they have more than 1 solid group to hang their hat on.
SM, Hybe and JYPE do.. but not YGE.
But then Starship also has only IVE - WJSN is not a top tier, MonstaX/Cravity are no SKZ.
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Someone is seriously on some major meds to think this.
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Originally yes, but it is now a subsidiary of Kakao M, according to Kakao Entertainment's Wikipedia page.
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Call me when Starship has a TWICE or a Wonder Girls
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Call me when Starship has a TWICE or a Wonder Girls
Wasn't Sistar on that level?
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Wasn't Sistar on that level?
Sistar were summer queens make no mistake, but wonder girls were literally the biggest GG ever until JYP killed them by trying to enter the US market and GG took over. Tell me was literally EVERYWHERE.
Same with Twice for cheer up, it was a monster hit. Sistar had hits, but not to the scale of any of Twices' or Wonder girls' biggest hit.
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Originally yes, but it is now a subsidiary of Kakao M, according to Kakao Entertainment's Wikipedia page.
I don't see it.. besides Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source.
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Too early to make that call, but only time will tell.
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wonder girls ,snsd are over decades ago so is 2ne1 sistar. let it goo. just let go. dang
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Too early, if the next 2 bgs/ggs replicates their success, then we're talking
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Change the title from Starship to Kakao and i'll believe you.
Kakao's lineup could be considered the best in Kpop, the only thing they're lacking is an extreme 2M selling BG .
MonstaX
The Boys
Weeekly is under kakao too? What's their company?
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I think it is YG which is more at risk of being kicked out of Big league than JYP.
Blackpink is basically their only viable group. BB - are pretty much retired and no other groups worth mention.
Whereas JYP has Twice, Itzy, SKZ all doing decently well, even if not the top tier.
YG has nothing happening with 4th gen or BGs, etc,
Yes SM and Hybe are the most stable at this point.
HYBE: NJ a massive hit, LSF potentially, Txt/Enhyphen - ok, SVT strong and F_9 middling. - all excluding BTS.
The key is whether they have more than 1 solid group to hang their hat on.
SM, Hybe and JYPE do.. but not YGE.
But then Starship also has only IVE - WJSN is not a top tier, MonstaX/Cravity are no SKZ.
How is Twice not top tier, they are by far and away the most profitable girl group last year and this year. Touring, sales, commercials, etc
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How is Twice not top tier, they are by far and away the most profitable girl group last year and this year. Touring, sales, commercials, etc
Depends on the definition of the "Tier".
At this point, it would be incorrect to claim them as the topmost Tier, because then what were they between 2016 to 2019 then?
Of course they remain profitable and are actually doing better in the Western markets.. But in Korea they have declined.
But not so much, that a good hit won't put them back up, will TTT be that?
We don't know.
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Depends on the definition of the "Tier".
At this point, it would be incorrect to claim them as the topmost Tier, because then what were they between 2016 to 2019 then?
Of course they remain profitable and are actually doing better in the Western markets.. But in Korea they have declined.
But not so much, that a good hit won't put them back up, will TTT be that?
We don't know.
But the context is "Starship kicking JYP out of big 3", so money-wise Twice is top top tier for JYPE
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I have said that too. Twice is very profitable for JYP.
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do you think the next Starship group will be a BG or GG?
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Wasn't Sistar on that level?
Sistar were chart monsters, but they never had the physical sales nor tour power to back it up. They were basically a group that always charted well, yet their greatest hits still were never on same level like national hits such as gee by snsd or wonder girls 'tell me' etc. they were never even considered a national gg or something. They had the tittle summer queens, due to their summer bops, but that was about it, they never made as much money as other top girl groups either. And the agency sucked at individual promos too or I believe the members would have made it big
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u sure bout dat?
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Sistar were chart monsters, but they never had the physical sales nor tour power to back it up. They were basically a group that always charted well, yet their greatest hits still were never on same level like national hits such as gee by snsd or wonder girls 'tell me' etc. they were never even considered a national gg or something. They had the tittle summer queens, due to their summer bops, but that was about it, they never made as much money as other top girl groups either. And the agency sucked at individual promos too or I believe the members would have made it big
This is just absolutely incorrect, SISTAR absolutely have national hits with Alone, Loving U. And after 2013 when they charted their whole album on melon and pretty much took up the whole top 10 they were referred to as the nations girl group for that year, it was only after 2014 when they really started delving into summer concepts with Touch my body and I swear that they started to be known as summer queens.
Also starship absolutely did a good job at promoting them individuals, hyolyn had a successful debut album, Dasom had multiple acting gigs, Bora was a regular feature on multiple variety shows and Soyou had multiple successful collabs including the most popular song of 2014.
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Nope.
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Change the title from Starship to Kakao and i'll believe you.
Kakao's lineup could be considered the best in Kpop, the only thing they're lacking is an extreme 2M selling BG .
MonstaX
The Boys
remove Weeekly, Victon and Cravity. those groups have not achieve as much to be mention with the rest
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